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Rudder issue that plagued the Boeing 737 throughout the 1990s

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Re: Rudder issue that plagued the Boeing 737 throughout the 1990s

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Post by prolepunk »

Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #247
rsweeney21 wrote: post #244

My previous company made software for DOTs. Over the years I learned that DOTs assign a dollar amount to human lives/deaths when calculating the cost benefit ratio of implementing roadway safety improvements. It very much reminds me of the acceptable number of deaths mentioned in the article. DOTs don't like talking about this of course. There should be a law that grants companies safe harbor for reporting and fixing…

Is there realistically any other way to do this though? The value of life, as estimated by a human in a generic situation is presumably infinite. However, companies, governments, regulating bodies, etc, have to regulate actual physical measures, which cost money, time etc- all very finite things. These agents need to act in actual physical environment like for example limited budgets or having to choose between two d…

In other words utilitarianism.

Re: Rudder issue that plagued the Boeing 737 throughout the 1990s

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Post by hopler »

jacquesm wrote: post #115
stcredzero wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boeing's more general attitude of dismissing signs that there was a problem with the equipment Having worked in software for decades, I've noted a particular sort of bias in myself and other developers. We tend to feel that our creations are like our children, and we are far too ready to blame the user. I've caught myself doing this. I've been caught out by QA doing this. I've caught fellow developers doing this, whe…

That's why dogfooding is so powerful. The best way to first hand experience the shortcomings of your product is to use it. This makes me wonder if anyone at Google is using G-Suite themselves.

Doesn't matter if the devs know it's broken, if the managers decide it's not worth paying to fix.

Re: Rudder issue that plagued the Boeing 737 throughout the 1990s

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Post by agumonkey »

outworlder wrote: post #239
agumonkey wrote: post #156

I forgot why there are no parachutes on planes ? weight ? I'd pay a premium to have my own emergency wingsuit..

> I forgot why there are no parachutes on planes ? weight ? There are parachutes on planes, as in whole airframe parachutes. Just not airliners. See Cirrus aircraft. However, even in a Cirrus, you can only open the parachute within very specific parameters (altitude, airspeed and so on). Exceed these, and your parachute is worthless. For obvious reasons, a whole frame parachute in a 737 is a crazy proposition. It is…

I meant people parachutes. For full airframe .. I was wondering splitting the plane in 3 silos could allow 3 small chutes.

Re: Rudder issue that plagued the Boeing 737 throughout the 1990s

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Post by Admiral_C »

syllable_studio wrote: post #252

Wow and this content is just posted on imgur with no link to sources? Is anyone already working on posting this through a legit source? If this content is real, it seems wild that it's not even published somewhere that is searchable online.

The source is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/comments/adl0jk...

I wrote this. I noticed it jumped 12,000 views and I got no username mention on Reddit, so I asked around and found it came from here. Made an account just to post the source. I'm pretty pissed that someone linked it completely without credit.

As for what it is, it's part of a series I write for reddit where I read as many sources as I can about a plane crash, write it up in a way that's understandable to laymen, and then post it for others to read. Taken away from me and my reputation on Reddit it has zero credibility because it's just a random album on Imgur.

Re: Rudder issue that plagued the Boeing 737 throughout the 1990s

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Post by js2 »

spiznnx wrote: post #235

This news cycle is surreal... just a few months ago my opinion of US aviation safety couldn't have been higher, and now that view is totally shattered.

Don't pay attention to the news. It reports statistically rare events that are unlikely to affect you. Pay attention to the statistics[0,1,2]. US aviation is still remarkably safe[3]. Just don't be this guy[4].

[0] http://ipa-world.org/society-resources/code/images/95b1494-L...

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm

[2] https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshcfoi1.htm

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_safety

[4] https://www.xkcd.com/795/

Re: Rudder issue that plagued the Boeing 737 throughout the 1990s

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Post by coryfklein »

Admiral_C wrote: post #256

I wrote this, not happy it got picked up and posted here without credit. Here's the original Reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/comments/adl0jk...

I'm not justifying how this was linked here, but I'd recommend putting your own attribution on the original source of the content (in this case, Imgur) rather than relying on everyone to access it through the specific forum you originally posted it on.

Also, Hacker News doesn't have submitter filled "descriptions" for linked pages, so there literally is no way to add attribution meta-data when posting a link.

Re: Rudder issue that plagued the Boeing 737 throughout the 1990s

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Post by Admiral_C »

coryfklein wrote: post #259
Admiral_C wrote: post #256

I wrote this, not happy it got picked up and posted here without credit. Here's the original Reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/comments/adl0jk...

I'm not justifying how this was linked here, but I'd recommend putting your own attribution on the original source of the content (in this case, Imgur) rather than relying on everyone to access it through the specific forum you originally posted it on. Also, Hacker News doesn't have submitter filled "descriptions" for linked pages, so there literally is no way to add attribution meta-data when posting a link.

More recent ones do have my username in them. I just never expected anyone outside of Reddit to read it so I didn't structure it in a way that would make that convenient.
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