This was uploaded in January 7th by the way if you check the date, not recently so this isn't to explain the Lion Air issue but rather Boeing's history
Rudder issue that plagued the Boeing 737 throughout the 1990s
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Re: Rudder issue that plagued the Boeing 737 throughout the 1990s
#102Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
Even assuming you leave morals out of the argument, there are more variables, like the effect on future sales due to reputation (which could affect the equation either way).
They're quoting the movie "Fight Club."
Re: Rudder issue that plagued the Boeing 737 throughout the 1990s
#103FWIW the rudder hardover described in this very interesting link doesn't appear to be related to the Max 8 issues near MCAS.
Correct. Not to play psychic, but I'm assuming the original poster chose to share this as a friendly reminder that as a general rule, Boeing does not have a track record of placing human lives above their continued corporate profitability. "If Boeing knew about a problem with the MCAS, they'd have told the FAA and corrected it" is not a hypothesis in-line with their past behavior, should anyone be holding that hypoth…
Are there any corporations that do have a demonstrable track record of placing human lives above profitability?
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#104Did Boeing executives go to jail for this disgusting cover up? I hope that the diesel cover-up of Volkswagen and the people that went to jail will motivate governments to pursue criminal charges against Boeing and/or Airbus if similar things happen. Fighting blame by lying and deflection at the risk of death should be a criminal offense. It's mass murder.
>Did Boeing executives go to jail for this disgusting cover up? Did you read this one imgur blog and assume that what is stated is an accurate representation of reality?
You do know this one imgur blog isn't the only source of this information, right?
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#105I worked under a CEO who had worked at Boeing before, and he said before that at times there was a number that a life was worth when making decisions while he worked there, in a conversation about diminishing returns in quality. Now I’m not sure if he meant that literally and there’s a number in the Boeing employee handbook, but he had a point. He said they could make planes cost twice as much and save a few lives th…
Sounds like something a CEO would say to cover up for shitty management and cost cutting R&D.
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't understand this. Each of these scandals is a mortal danger to Boeing. One of them might someday finally put it out of business. Whereas if they reacted to each case by being committed to finding the problem whatever it is, they could greatly reduce their liability by reducing the ultimate number of fatalities due to any one problem.
Boeing is a US military supplier and a strategic US asset in the airspace industry, the US government will ensure that they do not go under no matter how much damage they do (see car industry). Furthermore even if that wasn't the case the people who cause these issues have almost zero chance of facing personal liability. As a result, it's in the personal interest of the people running Boeing to cut corners and extrac…
Couldn't they just bring it back to life under a new name?
Re: Rudder issue that plagued the Boeing 737 throughout the 1990s
#107Is it just me or a lot of big names in various industries are dropping the ball on QA? From exploding Nike shoes to crashing Beings, to faulty MacBooks.
I don't see much similarity between Nikes torquing apart and what Boeing has done/is doing. I'd say a better comparison is between Boeing and Tesla's self-driving deaths.
Re: Rudder issue that plagued the Boeing 737 throughout the 1990s
#108Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
This quote happens while they are sitting in an airplane...
Re: Rudder issue that plagued the Boeing 737 throughout the 1990s
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fight Club
And is probably a reference to the Pinto Memo - a cost-benefit analysis performed by Ford in 1973 [0] 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Pinto
Direct link to Pinto Memo anchor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Pinto#Cost-benefit_analys...
PDF of Pinto Memo: https://www.autosafety.org/wp-content/uploads/import/phpq3mJ...
Fight Club "recall formula" segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7bEkk5GHwg
Re: Rudder issue that plagued the Boeing 737 throughout the 1990s
#110Any whistle blowers in Boeing who could come out & share facts on how employees of Boeing are reacting to these incidents?
See what happened to John Liotine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Airlines_Flight_261
Honestly, I'm more scared of airlines skimping on maintenance and fights with their mechanics (southwest) than this.