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Our Culture of Contempt

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Re: Our Culture of Contempt

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Post by aabeshou »

justin66 wrote: post #81
logicchains wrote: post #19

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>The left, as I see it, gets and respects human vulnerability, and our need to depend on one another, and wants to build a just, equitable society where we can all fluorish. This is what people dislike about the modern left, when it makes the assumption that the intentions of its political opponents are bad just because they disagree on methodology. There are conservatives who genuinely want to build a just, equitabl…

>>The left, as I see it, gets and respects human vulnerability, and our need to depend on one another, and wants to build a just, equitable society where we can all fluorish. >This is what people dislike about the modern left, when it makes the assumption that the intentions of its political opponents are bad just because they disagree on methodology. The writing of the person you're responding to is so egregiously b…

whats your issue with my writing?

Re: Our Culture of Contempt

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Post by aabeshou »

logicchains wrote: post #84
justin66 wrote: post #81

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>>The left, as I see it, gets and respects human vulnerability, and our need to depend on one another, and wants to build a just, equitable society where we can all fluorish. >This is what people dislike about the modern left, when it makes the assumption that the intentions of its political opponents are bad just because they disagree on methodology. The writing of the person you're responding to is so egregiously b…

Recognition of "our need to depend on one another." is not the end goal of the average left-leaning person (or at least those I know), the end goal is for nobody to suffer through poverty/neglect. The average right-leaning person would also like nobody to suffer through poverty/neglect. The right just believes that government intervention won't help poverty, and that it destroys family and community bonds via the gov…

you misread my point. I was saying that the policy disagreement comes from that fundamental attitude difference with regard to vulnerability/dependence. It is not an explicit policy goal for all leftists to have kumbaya circles. My point is we cannot eradicate poverty and other economic injustice without recognizing the need for mutual dependence. I challenge you to come up with a plan for eradicating poverty and injustice that does not involve human codependency.

But those who would say the only acceptable plan is basically everyone lifting themselves up by bootstraps do not respect or acknowledge the truth of our fundamental vulnerability and dependence on one-another on this earth.

Re: Our Culture of Contempt

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Post by unclebucknasty »

specialist wrote: post #170
Fellshard wrote: post #126

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I've found many of the folks at the National Review, for example, to be quite principled. Folks like Ben Shapiro wobble a bit in this regard from time to time, but tends to make arguments based on principle and not merely on leadership, and it's safe to say he's got a pretty loud bullhorn right now as well.

I upvoted to acknowledge your reply. I was kinda hoping you'd mention someone new. Or at least someone who had something new to say. I like Tyler Cowen. He really challenges my own views. I also highly value Tim Pool's and Jonathan Haidt's criticisms of the left. Alas, they're also from the left. I actually don't know anyone (contemporary) from the right criticizing the right, along the same lines as Pool and Haidt d…

>I fundamentally consider myself a conservative. Raised Republican and in the church, defender of rights, law & order, etc. And it's been a very long time since any one on the right spoke for me

My point exactly. You must be in a very lonely place.

It is said that Trump enjoys 80%+ approval among Republicans. This is primarily driven by a few policy issues and appointments, even though nearly everything he represents is the antithesis of what Republicans have long claimed to represent.

With all of the moralizing and lecturing from the Right over the years, it turns out the vast majority were bought pretty cheaply.

Re: Our Culture of Contempt

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Post by _bxg1 »

unclebucknasty wrote: post #165
_bxg1 wrote: post #30

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I support most of the liberal platform, but in recent years a large portion of the party's base has turned into a cesspool of hatred, cynicism, and thoughtless reactionism. We used to be the party of idealism and belief in people's basic goodness. What the hell happened?

This comment, the parent, and many others on this thread sound eerily alike and similar to those propagated by trolls and bots during the failed WalkAway campaign.

You can view my comment history to see that I'm not a troll or a bot.

This is a criticism of the left by a liberal who fears for his own party's soul.

Re: Our Culture of Contempt

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Post by [deleted] »

dang wrote: post #153
FakeComments wrote: post #152

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Can you please suggest a way to raise these topics that wouldn’t be considered “ideological battle comments”? From my perspective, you routinely practice “the truth is offensive, mind your manners” style censorship: I don’t believe there’s any way I could have raised Democratic support of racist or sexist policies that wouldn’t have had you show up to censor that under the guise of decorum. Genuinely. So, please make…

Your comment wasn't primarily factual and wasn't the way people write when the truth is their main concern. It was aggressive polemic. We don't want that here, because it destroys thoughtful conversation and community. That's true regardless of ideology; we don't care what color gasoline is being poured onto a fire. Is it censorship to ban accounts that post that way? Sure, if you like. But it's censorship of aggress…

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