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Facebook’s Data Deals Are Under Criminal Investigation

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Re: Facebook’s Data Deals Are Under Criminal Investigation

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Ok, so those partnerships were basically allowing Samsung and others to build Facebook app on their phones (i.e. allowing alternative client). Would this means that it will be criminal to allow companies to create alternative clients? That is really interesting development.

No, of course not. Why would I you ask this? It seems like Facebook somehow gave these partners rather deep access. To all users, not just those using those phones or who opted into the arrangement.

Mostly, because article is mashup of random data things about Facebook, and it's not clear what is being investigated. They started that phone makers data deals are being investigated (which is basically alternative client), then goes into Cambridge Analytica, and mention Bing data access in the end (which could be about deep access you are talking about, but it does not looks like it's being investigated).

And for phone deals, criticizing friends/deep data access... If you want to build alternative FB client, your phone have to have access not just to your data, but also to your fiends data (i.e. all data you have access), in order to provide any useful service. So yes, technically your friends didn't agree that your alternative FB app can access to their data, but you gave your access credentials (and permissions) to access that data to your phone.

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#182

> F.T.C. officials, who spent the past year investigating whether Facebook violated the 2011 agreement, are now weighing the sharing deals as they negotiate a possible multibillion-dollar fine. That would be the largest such penalty ever imposed by the trade regulator. A multibillion dollar fine? That's great, but even greater would be to put Facebook's exces behind bars. A CEO shouldn't walk away with a stuffed bank…

Which Facebook exec(s) would you put behind bars and for how long?

Zuck. 3-5 years at club fed.

Re: Facebook’s Data Deals Are Under Criminal Investigation

#183
post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's for one user then it's a breach of contract, if you do that for 10 million, that's a deliberate act of breaching all contracts and that is usually criminal. scale matters on these issues as well. and if you are doing it as a big utility company (e.g. banks) then you are free to go :)

I am still raging angry about Wells Fargo and Equifax.

Wells should have been shut down, and I say that as a libertarian. They should have been shut down for this alone: https://consumerist.com/5283290/affidavits-on-how-wells-farg...

Re: Facebook’s Data Deals Are Under Criminal Investigation

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> F.T.C. officials, who spent the past year investigating whether Facebook violated the 2011 agreement, are now weighing the sharing deals as they negotiate a possible multibillion-dollar fine. That would be the largest such penalty ever imposed by the trade regulator. A multibillion dollar fine? That's great, but even greater would be to put Facebook's exces behind bars. A CEO shouldn't walk away with a stuffed bank…

>but even greater would be to put Facebook's exces behind bars.

What is with this place wanting to throw everyone in prison? Is there some thrill you get from seeing executives in an orange jumper?

Fines can be far more beneficial to society. Make them pay in a way that actually helps other people.

Re: Facebook’s Data Deals Are Under Criminal Investigation

#185

> F.T.C. officials, who spent the past year investigating whether Facebook violated the 2011 agreement, are now weighing the sharing deals as they negotiate a possible multibillion-dollar fine. That would be the largest such penalty ever imposed by the trade regulator. A multibillion dollar fine? That's great, but even greater would be to put Facebook's exces behind bars. A CEO shouldn't walk away with a stuffed bank…

> but even greater would be to put Facebook's exces behind bars. What is with this place wanting to throw everyone in prison? Is there some thrill you get from seeing executives in an orange jumper? Fines can be far more beneficial to society. Make them pay in a way that actually helps other people.

Because fines are rarely proportional to income, and are frequently written off as the cost of doing business.

Re: Facebook’s Data Deals Are Under Criminal Investigation

#186
post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which Facebook exec(s) would you put behind bars and for how long?

Zuck. 3-5 years at club fed.

Charged with what specifically under what precedent? The USA is (supposedly) a nation of law. If Zuck broke an existing law with precedent for those kind of terms then that would make sense. If you are simply angry at legislators for not protecting you with adequate law, your issue is not with Zuck. You are simply angry at him. If you simply want him "made an example of", I hope you think of the repercussions to legal framework of the nation.

Re: Facebook’s Data Deals Are Under Criminal Investigation

#187

> F.T.C. officials, who spent the past year investigating whether Facebook violated the 2011 agreement, are now weighing the sharing deals as they negotiate a possible multibillion-dollar fine. That would be the largest such penalty ever imposed by the trade regulator. A multibillion dollar fine? That's great, but even greater would be to put Facebook's exces behind bars. A CEO shouldn't walk away with a stuffed bank…

> but even greater would be to put Facebook's exces behind bars. What is with this place wanting to throw everyone in prison? Is there some thrill you get from seeing executives in an orange jumper? Fines can be far more beneficial to society. Make them pay in a way that actually helps other people.

schadenfreude

Re: Facebook’s Data Deals Are Under Criminal Investigation

#188

> F.T.C. officials, who spent the past year investigating whether Facebook violated the 2011 agreement, are now weighing the sharing deals as they negotiate a possible multibillion-dollar fine. That would be the largest such penalty ever imposed by the trade regulator. A multibillion dollar fine? That's great, but even greater would be to put Facebook's exces behind bars. A CEO shouldn't walk away with a stuffed bank…

What specific charges can be filed against him? What laws have Facebook broken?

I suspect FB have broken many laws but perhaps the country simply has inadequate consumer protection.

Advocating for jail terms without specific charges is not the direction to go.

Re: Facebook’s Data Deals Are Under Criminal Investigation

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post #188

> F.T.C. officials, who spent the past year investigating whether Facebook violated the 2011 agreement, are now weighing the sharing deals as they negotiate a possible multibillion-dollar fine. That would be the largest such penalty ever imposed by the trade regulator. A multibillion dollar fine? That's great, but even greater would be to put Facebook's exces behind bars. A CEO shouldn't walk away with a stuffed bank…

What specific charges can be filed against him? What laws have Facebook broken? I suspect FB have broken many laws but perhaps the country simply has inadequate consumer protection. Advocating for jail terms without specific charges is not the direction to go.

What laws have Facebook broken?

The article very clearly states that there is a criminal investigation going on.

Re: Facebook’s Data Deals Are Under Criminal Investigation

#190

Did anybody else catch this? > Apple was able to hide from Facebook users all indicators that its devices were even asking for data. I've seen a lot of discourse here seem to favor Apple over the big "G" but... this seems pretty shady. Anyone else know anything about this practice or what specifically they might've been referring to?

This was discussed the previous time this topic came up [0, 1, 2]. This is basically OS level integration which enabled users to share Facebook updates without opening Facebook like OS level integration. Apple removed the Facebook, Twitter, Flickr etc. integration in iOS11 [3].

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17223926

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17229301

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17224071

[3] https://www.cultofmac.com/485346/ios-11-ditches-facebook-twi...

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