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Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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Post by astura »

nearbuy wrote: post #423
wsy wrote: post #322

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I think a better example would be: you can only get food if you give us your address and consent that all other restaurants in the vicinity send marketing mail to you. You also consent that we and they exchange information about when and what you ordered. To me it sounds very sensible to make such a business practice illegal.

That actually sounds pretty good if you don't have much money. Free food in exchange for agreeing to receive free scrap paper.

I'd totally use this service if it existed.

Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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Post by rcxdude »

paxys wrote: post #330
rcxdude wrote: post #185

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Then you do not need to ask consent to use them. You only need consent for cookies or data collection if it is not necessary to the service (and 'necessary for tracking ads' does not count as necessary).

Why not, if that's how you are paying for the site to exist?

Because that's what the law says. Your business model is not allowed to infringe on the rights of your users to control their data. You can pay for the site to exist in other ways, but not by collecting your users data without their consent.

Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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Post by duxup »

rhizome wrote: post #395
duxup wrote: post #233

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>I don't really see it as "what we couldn't do" but "what poor usability we have overcome". I'm glad we have cookies and other forms of local storage, especially for the latter there are many other benefits. Maybe one day we'll get Web SQL. Yeah I think that's accurate. It's a little weird sometimes reading all these articles about cookies, JavaScript, etc and I always think "But I use those things to ... give people…

give people things, convenience, data, help them do things Have you ever reviewed how little you need in order to do all those things, outside of third-party dependencies? Any second guesses at all?

I don't know what you mean exactly.

Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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Post by neop1x »

I often visit many sites every day and I often see big popups with full "ad partners" configuration. I don't have time for this! Sometimes, if I can see at least three lines of an article text in the middle, I try to read through it. Other times, I just confirm it so I can read the article. I think the providers should be forced to react to the "do not track" browser feature and then simple don't track and don't show any cookie prompts. Browsers are configurable so they should let people decide. Per-site web prompts like that do more harm than good unfortunately.

Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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Post by jessaustin »

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #385
paulcole wrote: post #224

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> Clicking 'no' should still allow people to view the website, but without placing any tracking cookies. No! It doesn't. Viewing a website isn't anyone's god-given right. The tracking cookies are part of the business model. If you don't agree with how a business makes money, stop patronizing them. If this is serious, look for companies to just block all traffic from The Netherlands. Why even bother dealing with the h…

Siphoning up people's data isn't anyone's god-given right. If you don't like EU laws, then don't do business there.

Isn't that what "just block all traffic from The Netherlands" would mean?

Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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Post by bmn__ »

tripzilch wrote: post #303
cameronh90 wrote: post #246

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"Hmm, there are features that one literally can't provide without state (cookies)." Silent cookies aren't completely banned by the GDPR/cookie laws, only cookies that aren't necessary to provide the service requested by the user. That's sort of vague, but I think mostly obvious what is intended there. It's pretty easy to operate within the spirit and letter of the law: Shopping baskets, load balancer cookies and logi…

> It appears to me that there's intentional bad faith misunderstanding from some, regarding both the cookie law and GDPR, in order to try and paint it as unworkable. Very much this. None of the cookie warning dialogs (I've seen) mention this, and a lot of them use the dialog to complain about the law. Something seems to have changed when GDPR came around though. The cookie warning dialogs before just had angry or con…

> if you ask 10 people to try your site, you get 90% of the usability issues, with diminishing returns (based on some usability research I once read somewhere)

https://www.nngroup.com/articles/why-you-only-need-to-test-w...

Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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Post by At1C »

plopz wrote: post #145
DavideNL wrote: post #128

In The Netherlands the Data Protection Authority announced this month that websites are no longer allowed to block access when people click "NO" in the cookie warning; Clicking 'no' should still allow people to view the website, but without placing any tracking cookies. Source (in Dutch): https://autoriteitpersoonsgegevens.nl/nl/nieuws/websites-moe...

So websites are supposed to just absorb the cost? That seems like a ridiculous stance.

Believe me they are getting paid, read surveillance capitalism for the real story, http://www.shoshanazuboff.com/new/recent-publications-and-in... stop deferring your choice! to big technology monopolies, tell them stuff their cookies where the sun don't shine.

Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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Post by dmitriid »

kmlx wrote: post #459
dmitriid wrote: post #454

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> The question I have is, what did web company do to deserve this kind of regulation? Have you been asleep for the past decade? Pervasive tracking and spying on consumers has been the topic of discussion even long before that. EU countries have had data protection laws since late 90s, and the web companies have taken a collective dump on them. So now the EU has created a single law that is quite sensible (if not with…

how does "TechCrunch" "~300 tracking, data collection and ad companies" impact you? i'm asking because my government knows everything about me: my private and public IPs, what sites I visit, my comments on those sites, how old I am, how often I go downtown etc etc etc

Simply put: when we learn that NSA secretly spies on everyone, it's a huge scandal that calls government practices into question. When it's ~300 tracking companies per website, it's "how does this impact you"? ;)

Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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Post by lmkg »

flukus wrote: post #351
jrochkind1 wrote: post #275

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Meanwhile, even though the _only_ user-tracking we do where I work is Google Analytics (no advertising features) (and you say your lawyers say you don't need consent for that) -- the official word on high where I work is all our websites need the stupid "i consent to cookies" banner if we use cookies. So, yeah, it's a mess. These "extra" warnings are contributing to user fatigue, I agree with troy hunt that users are…

> Meanwhile, even though the _only_ user-tracking we do where I work is Google Analytics (no advertising features) (and you say your lawyers say you don't need consent for that) -- the official word on high where I work is all our websites need the stupid "i consent to cookies" banner if we use cookies. Google analytics feeds tracking data to google for advertising purposes and tracks you across sites, it's exactly t…

> Google analytics feeds tracking data to google for advertising purposes and tracks you across sites

That is why GP said "(no advertising features)." That is the name of the feature in GA that does that, and it can be disabled.

Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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Post by kmlx »

dmitriid wrote: post #468
kmlx wrote: post #459

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how does "TechCrunch" "~300 tracking, data collection and ad companies" impact you? i'm asking because my government knows everything about me: my private and public IPs, what sites I visit, my comments on those sites, how old I am, how often I go downtown etc etc etc

Simply put: when we learn that NSA secretly spies on everyone, it's a huge scandal that calls government practices into question. When it's ~300 tracking companies per website, it's "how does this impact you"? ;)

the US government can literally take your life, imprison you, etc.

techcrunch just wants to sell you stuff.

there’s really no comparison.

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