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Facebook’s Data Deals Are Under Criminal Investigation

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Re: Facebook’s Data Deals Are Under Criminal Investigation

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Post by dvtrn »

gotocake wrote: post #76
rrdharan wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://n-gate.com/hackernews/ Enjoy!

That’s quite the hate-on someone has at that site. There’s some funny to be had, but it’s mostly very tryhard. The “coverage” of the Vitamin D thing was great, but when there isn’t low hanging fruit it just sort of defaults to generic noise. Without the anger and repetition it could be worth reading, but as it is there’s a lot of predictable 4channery.

Have you considered the possibility that you might not be the target demographic?

Re: Facebook’s Data Deals Are Under Criminal Investigation

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Post by solomatov »

dmitrygr wrote: post #69
solomatov wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any idea what charges these may be? IFAIU, there're no laws which make it criminal to share information.

If even a single byte leaked, I guess the charges can include being accessory to identity fraud?

Criminal charges assume intent, and it's very hard to think that facebook as a company had intent of committing identity fraud.

Re: Facebook’s Data Deals Are Under Criminal Investigation

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Post by untog »

makomk wrote: post #71
untog wrote: post #57

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> even when that data never left the end user devices Do we know that to be true? In any case, I'm pretty sure they don't bring criminal cases like this frivolously. There's obviously something here.

You see the scary descriptions and illustrations of how much information was shared with the Blackberry Hub app in the previous New York Times article about this at https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/06/03/technology/fa... ? Well, their reporters got that information by sniffing the network traffic from the app. They knew exactly where the data was going, and clearly they didn't see it going to Blackberry's ser…

Presumably Blackberry is using an access token to fetch that data, I can't see any reason why they couldn't also store that access token server side and query data without it ever appearing in device logs.

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Post by sintaxi »

mic47 wrote: post #6

Ok, so those partnerships were basically allowing Samsung and others to build Facebook app on their phones (i.e. allowing alternative client). Would this means that it will be criminal to allow companies to create alternative clients? That is really interesting development.

My guess would be data harvesting to FB without the app installed.

Re: Facebook’s Data Deals Are Under Criminal Investigation

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Post by gotocake »

dvtrn wrote: post #81
gotocake wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s quite the hate-on someone has at that site. There’s some funny to be had, but it’s mostly very tryhard. The “coverage” of the Vitamin D thing was great, but when there isn’t low hanging fruit it just sort of defaults to generic noise. Without the anger and repetition it could be worth reading, but as it is there’s a lot of predictable 4channery.

Have you considered the possibility that you might not be the target demographic?

What’s the target demographic, and what demographic do I represent?

Re: Facebook’s Data Deals Are Under Criminal Investigation

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Post by otterley »

badfrog wrote: post #14

No indication of what the charges are? The closest thing in the article is: > the partnerships seemed to violate a 2011 consent agreement between Facebook and the F.T.C which doesn't seem like it would be criminal? Does the US actually have criminal laws regarding selling data? Any educated guesses on what's actually going on?

Attorney here!

Violation of a consent decree can result in criminal contempt-of-court charges. See 18 U.S.C. section 401 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/401). See also United States v. Schine, 125 F. Supp. 734 (W.D.N.Y. 1954).

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Post by otterley »

darawk wrote: post #47
georgeecollins wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.netlawman.co.uk/ia/breach-of-consent-order

Breach of a consent decree is not necessarily criminal, as far as I can tell. And even if it was, it definitely wouldn't represent a crime on the part of any FB engineers.

Attorney here!

Violation of a consent decree can result in criminal contempt-of-court charges. See 18 U.S.C. section 401 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/401). See also United States v. Schine, 125 F. Supp. 734 (W.D.N.Y. 1954).

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Post by kokokokoko »

peteradio wrote: post #40
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #4

There has been a tremendous amount of grassroots lobbying, fundraising, and private investigation in New York over the past two years with respect to Facebook. It’s a serious area I feel Silicon Valley has abdicated its moral obligation to stand up to its own. Hoping we can develop the evidence that comes out of this case into criminal charges for individual engineers and senior officers.

What kind of scenario could you see an engineer getting charged? I find that pretty hard to imagine here.

For what its worth, Volkswagon did have at least one engineer(software) convicted for the emissions issue[1].

With that said, I don't know if that is applicable here as I'm not even aware of what the potential charges might be.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/25/business/volkswagen-engin...

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Post by staticautomatic »

mehrdadn wrote: post #70
minimaxir wrote: post #59

FB Response: https://twitter.com/fbnewsroom/status/1105993038671691776?s=... > It's already been reported that there are ongoing federal investigations, incl. by the Dept of Justice. As we’ve said, we're cooperating w/ investigators and take those probes seriously. We've provided public testimony, answered questions, and pledged that we'll continue to do so

Does anyone ever say they're not cooperating with investigators?

No. When they don't cooperate they say something bullshit like "We've cooperated as much as possible" or "We're going to let the investigators do their work."

Re: Facebook’s Data Deals Are Under Criminal Investigation

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Post by ohitburns »

otterley wrote: post #87
darawk wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Breach of a consent decree is not necessarily criminal, as far as I can tell. And even if it was, it definitely wouldn't represent a crime on the part of any FB engineers.

Attorney here! Violation of a consent decree can result in criminal contempt-of-court charges. See 18 U.S.C. section 401 ( https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/401 ). See also United States v. Schine, 125 F. Supp. 734 (W.D.N.Y. 1954).

But why why would that be enforced by the USAO-EDNY?
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