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Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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post #357

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You first -- on what principles do you think the grandfather's choice in your example should be illegal?

Illegal simply because it is murder, regardless how much money the murderer pays in advance. Immoral because human life and dignity should not become a tradeable commodity. A society allowing this would quickly deteriorate into a system where the rich just buy the desired behavior from the poor, and we would end up with an oligarchy instead of a democracy. Another angle to object would be Rawls's theory of justice: s…

Edit to state the central point clearly at the top: why do you think restricting their range of possible choices "protects the poor and weak" ?

If you have a shitty job, would you be better off getting fired? No, because presumably you already had the ability to quit. (Anticipating someone jumping on me for the analogy: I'm obviously not saying having a shitty job is equivalent to being in such dire straits that someone would consider selling their kidney. I recognize the a huge difference in degree. I'm just illustrating the point.)

> Immoral because human life and dignity should not become a tradeable commodity.

This is just restating your conclusion, not providing an argument.

> A society allowing this would quickly deteriorate into a system where the rich just buy the desired behavior from the poor

That's already the system we have. I can entice people to do all sorts of things that they would rather not do, because I have money, like cook food for me, build airplanes that I can fly in, and so on.

> and we would end up with an oligarchy instead of a democracy.

We're not talking about making it legal to spend money to influence voting or politics, so I don't follow this.

> How would you design a society under these conditions?

My argument doesn't even rely on this veil of ignorance! Even if I KNEW I was going to be reincarnated as a poor beggar, why wouldn't I design society to give myself more choices, rather than fewer? It's not like anyone would be forced to sell their kidneys if they don't want to.

Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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> Surely there are solutions that don't require a popup on every webpage you visit? I don't get any popups or cookie notices on visiting HN or several other sites. It's not like it's a fundamental need to set hundreds of tracking cookies on a visitor's browser to show them a website.

HN doesn't have ads though.

duck duck go has ads and doesn’t track you... you don’t need cookies to show ads; only to show intrusive “track you across the internet” ads

Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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internet visitors must be asked for permission in advance for any tracking software to be placed — such as third-party tracking cookies; tracking pixels; and browser fingerprinting tech — and that that permission must be freely obtained... Is this really what we want? Yes. I'm not even European, and I'm perfectly fine with this. Ask me to track me. If I like you, your web site, or your content, then sure. I'll give y…

So once you've determined that you like a site you are going through the hassle of figuring out how you can reenable the tracking after you disabled it on your first visit?

“you’ve visited this site a few times recently. are you still okay with these settings? (if you ever change your mind, click privacy at the bottom of the page)”

just because we don’t currently have solutions doesn’t mean they aren’t out there. i guarantee my 5 second developer definitely not UX idea is the LEAST that a real UX professional will come up with, when pushed

*EDIT: and yes this kind of cookie is okay with GDPR because it’s not tracking a “data subject”... it’s maybe a broad timestamp (the day you first accessed the site), and a counter for the number of articles/site loads... you don’t have to ask for this permission, because you can’t track someone with it

Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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In The Netherlands the Data Protection Authority announced this month that websites are no longer allowed to block access when people click "NO" in the cookie warning; Clicking 'no' should still allow people to view the website, but without placing any tracking cookies. Source (in Dutch): https://autoriteitpersoonsgegevens.nl/nl/nieuws/websites-moe...

I don't understand how this wasn't obvious from the start. GDPR was quite clear that you can't "punish" users who reject cookies.

Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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There are tons of websites that have other revenue models. Subscriptions, referral models, etc. Shouldn't people be able to choose what currency they want to pay for something in?

It's been proven over and over again that people won't pay for content that gets successfully monetised with advertising. You only have to see the howling every time someone posts a subscription only newspaper link on HN to see how vehemently opposed people are to paying for stuff like news.

So that means consumers have chosen to forgo their privacy to avoid paying money for content. Why can't I make that choice myself?

Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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post #358

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If the grandfather consents to it, then what is actually wrong with him taking up that offer? Your thought experiment (or at least your "hope" re: the "correct" answer) presupposes that suicide is wrong. Personally, I believe the only one who is allowed to dictate whether I live or die is myself; if I want to die, and have good reason to want to die (financial security for my children and grandchildren would certainl…

No, it doesn't tell anything about suicide. It is about the question: should one be allowed to buy everything, or are there limits? To emphasize: NOT should one be allowed to sell everything.

But those are fundamentally intertwined. If nobody's allowed to buy something, then how is anyone expected to be allowed to sell something? A purchase and sale are not independent events.

Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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I hope one day you get to reflect on that sentence you just wrote.

I hope one day Europe stops trying to kill the human rights of its people.

Could you stop posting flamebait so we don't have to penalize your account again?

Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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> Surely there are solutions that don't require a popup on every webpage you visit? I don't get any popups or cookie notices on visiting HN or several other sites. It's not like it's a fundamental need to set hundreds of tracking cookies on a visitor's browser to show them a website.

HN doesn't have ads though.

Don’t they have hiring advertisements for their startups?

Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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post #218

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It’s not possible to do a lot of normal web stuff without session cookies.

Define "a lot of normal web stuff". How did we ever do normal web stuff before session cookies?

Session cookie in the URL?
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