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Facebook’s Data Deals Are Under Criminal Investigation

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IS THIS WHY THE DATA SERVICE WAS DOWN ALL DAY? https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/13/18264092/facebook-instagr...

My first thought after reading the headline was that they had been placed under some kind of litigation hold and had to immediately back up all of their data on US customers to comply.

Just baseless speculation; I dont work for Facebook or have an inside source.

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There has been a tremendous amount of grassroots lobbying, fundraising, and private investigation in New York over the past two years with respect to Facebook. It’s a serious area I feel Silicon Valley has abdicated its moral obligation to stand up to its own. Hoping we can develop the evidence that comes out of this case into criminal charges for individual engineers and senior officers.

Criminal charges for what exactly? They shared their user data with other companies. Since when is that criminal?

Did you read the article?

Here is the excerpt:

> Privacy advocates said the partnerships seemed to violate a 2011 consent agreement between Facebook and the F.T.C., stemming from allegations that the company had shared data in ways that deceived consumers. The deals also appeared to contradict statements by Mark Zuckerberg and other executives that Facebook had clamped down several years ago on sharing the data of users’ friends with outside developers.

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Create a culture that is so fixated on wealth above all else and this is what happens. When everyone around you is judging you based on what you have and on the successes you've achieved, what motivation does one have to behave morally? God died and the dollar took its place. I know we will one day look back on this in complete confusion as to how we just watched things so clearly destructive destabilize the country.…

> God died and the dollar took its place

'God died' is such bull. The worst people in the world do what they do in his name.

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Create a culture that is so fixated on wealth above all else and this is what happens. When everyone around you is judging you based on what you have and on the successes you've achieved, what motivation does one have to behave morally? God died and the dollar took its place. I know we will one day look back on this in complete confusion as to how we just watched things so clearly destructive destabilize the country.…

It is possible to act morally without God as motivation. God was a strong motivator in the Dark Ages- did people act more morally then?

It is possible to be a capitalist and act morally. Rates of crime are at some of the lowest levels of all human history now.... is that a sign of immorality?

Morality is about making responsible choices.... often tough ones. Abdicating responsibility to a deity or a monetary system is the opposite of what is needed for morally responsible decision making.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Criminal charges for what exactly? They shared their user data with other companies. Since when is that criminal?

Did you read the article? Here is the excerpt: > Privacy advocates said the partnerships seemed to violate a 2011 consent agreement between Facebook and the F.T.C., stemming from allegations that the company had shared data in ways that deceived consumers. The deals also appeared to contradict statements by Mark Zuckerberg and other executives that Facebook had clamped down several years ago on sharing the data of us…

Nothing in that sounds criminal (though I'm not a lawyer) except maybe perjury if the "contradicted statements" were under oath.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Criminal charges for what exactly? They shared their user data with other companies. Since when is that criminal?

Did you read the article? Here is the excerpt: > Privacy advocates said the partnerships seemed to violate a 2011 consent agreement between Facebook and the F.T.C., stemming from allegations that the company had shared data in ways that deceived consumers. The deals also appeared to contradict statements by Mark Zuckerberg and other executives that Facebook had clamped down several years ago on sharing the data of us…

And how exactly would any of that lead to criminal charges for any engineers?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Criminal charges for what exactly? They shared their user data with other companies. Since when is that criminal?

5th of May last year in many places and in every other place in the world where you manage to convince a judge that it is. It's easier when there are explicit laws on the books.

Which laws are those?

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At this point it is just an investigation. Nobody has been charged with anything. They have to find a law Facebook has broken first, and presumably establish enough evidence that they expect to succeed at a trial.

Doesn't a grand jury meet after charges have been filed? Or is federal different than state in that respect?

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There has been a tremendous amount of grassroots lobbying, fundraising, and private investigation in New York over the past two years with respect to Facebook. It’s a serious area I feel Silicon Valley has abdicated its moral obligation to stand up to its own. Hoping we can develop the evidence that comes out of this case into criminal charges for individual engineers and senior officers.

It started after Facebook started getting blamed for landing Trump in the White House, and the pile-on has increased steadily since then.

I’m no fan of FB’s extensive use of dark patterns, but the concerted attack on FB is meant as pressure so that Zuck agrees to let FB be used as a great firewall.

Thank you, Zuck, for resisting the pressure if indeed you have. It will only increase as 2020 approaches.

Re: Facebook’s Data Deals Are Under Criminal Investigation

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Create a culture that is so fixated on wealth above all else and this is what happens. When everyone around you is judging you based on what you have and on the successes you've achieved, what motivation does one have to behave morally? God died and the dollar took its place. I know we will one day look back on this in complete confusion as to how we just watched things so clearly destructive destabilize the country.…

It is possible to act morally without God as motivation. God was a strong motivator in the Dark Ages- did people act more morally then? It is possible to be a capitalist and act morally. Rates of crime are at some of the lowest levels of all human history now.... is that a sign of immorality? Morality is about making responsible choices.... often tough ones. Abdicating responsibility to a deity or a monetary system i…

it's possible to be a "moral" capitalist but not without strong laws and punishments. There are countless # of instances where corporations have gotten away with either indirectly or directly knowingly doing harm.
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