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Dwarf Fortress is coming to Steam with graphics

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Re: Dwarf Fortress is coming to Steam with graphics

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Post by stcredzero »

odorousrex wrote: post #120
stcredzero wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand what you've written at all. Are you in favour of the US healthcare system, or against it? There's this thing called "nuance." In very general terms, I'm for personal liberty and autonomy. However, I also recognize that people don't care about that, when they are hungry or fear bankruptcy and illness. [1] The US healthcare system is broken, in that large numbers of people are left in a state of risk…

How does a national health care system (say such as Canada or UK) encroach on personal freedom? (Short of say the obvious...increased taxes for you.) I've found a lot of "opponents" of universal healthcare actually support a safety net for less fortunate people - they just don't want to pay for it. This is a perfectly valid reason, but I wouldn't call it encroaching on personal freedom, so I'm curious as to how else…

they just don't want to pay for it. This is a perfectly valid reason, but I wouldn't call it encroaching on personal freedom, so I'm curious as to how else you see it affecting liberty?

For one thing, why are you so insistent that I'm an opponent of health care reform. (Subjectively speaking, there's this sour stickyness of you assuming things inside my head around that. If you are, please, don't. You would be wasting our time and energy with that.) I voted for Obama the 1st time in large part because of health care reform. That said, I've since changed my mind. The individual mandate in Obamacare is too big an encroachment on individual freedom.

Big government agencies tend to encroach on individual freedom because they tend to accrue de facto then de jure power. Would anyone dispute that the IRS has considerable power, enough to create some potential for abuse? (Not saying we should get rid of them, however.)

As far as individual freedom goes generally, watching the events of the past several years, including those around "activists," and big tech companies, has made me a lot more concerned about individual freedom. A lot of people seem to be paying lip service to concepts like Freedom of Speech and Due Process, but then putting wide ranging things into effect which interfere with or abrogate those rights, though they are not technically illegal. (yet)

Re: Dwarf Fortress is coming to Steam with graphics

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Post by theli0nheart »

enticeing wrote: post #60
tptacek wrote: post #38

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DF already has graphical tilesets, right? This is just a packaging of them?

The graphics are new, as far as I can tell. From a Patreon post on the same topic: > She's contracted Mike Mayday and Meph, who've both > been with the modding community for many years. > Zach and I are working closely with them as they > create a tile set that fits the game and meshes > well with our underlying code.

Graphics have been available for a long time, now, they've just never been bundled with the game itself.

Re: Dwarf Fortress is coming to Steam with graphics

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Post by sbov »

stcredzero wrote: post #101
twic wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand what you've written at all. Are you in favour of the US healthcare system, or against it?

I don't understand what you've written at all. Are you in favour of the US healthcare system, or against it? There's this thing called "nuance." In very general terms, I'm for personal liberty and autonomy. However, I also recognize that people don't care about that, when they are hungry or fear bankruptcy and illness. [1] The US healthcare system is broken, in that large numbers of people are left in a state of risk…

I generally agree with you but I'm for a single payer system like Canada. Because eventually, you have to stop looking for the ideal system and pick a good one. This has been talked about since Bill Clinton was president.

I run across this all the time with my brother. He's conservative. He's in his 50s. He says, I don't think health care is in a good place, but we can't do X, Y, or Z. It's never what we can do. It's always what we can't. He offers no solutions.

When you're in a privileged position its easy to say we must wait for the perfect solution. When you aren't it's easy to rush to a solution. However, like I said: this has been debated for over TWO DECADES in the United States. It's been enough time. If you can't think of a solution you like, it's not going to happen in a reasonable timeframe.

Re: Dwarf Fortress is coming to Steam with graphics

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Post by _qwfv »

LyndsySimon wrote: post #114
Pfhreak wrote: post #50

I've often wondered if DF will ever get an open source version that tries to recreate the same experience but focuses on consistent interface design, performance and multithreading, and ease of extensibility. DF has a huge head start, and two of the most incredibly passionate developers out there, but it's also clear they prioritize expanding the model first and foremost rather than trying to tackle any of the user e…

I feel like every time someone sets out to create a F/OSS successor to DF, they end up mired in creating dungeon and world generators and never produce a functional game. Really, that's what DF is anyhow; they even call it a "story generator" IIRC. Tarn just managed to put enough of a playable game together before getting lost in the details of world generation, and people have stayed engaged enough with it to keep h…

This is a common trap in game dev. You have to get that steel thread pulled through before you spiral off into building systems in depth.

Re: Dwarf Fortress is coming to Steam with graphics

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Post by LoSboccacc »

outworlder wrote: post #130
avereveard wrote: post #74

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how so? the production chain is almost as deep. the damage model it's close in detail, and it's not terribly broken (whips anyone?) which should count as far as features go. you can actually caravan, explore people and exterminate faction without being restricted into adventure mode. and when you ask a neighbor for something in the caravan, you get what you asked. weather and climate is much more prominent, including…

I love Rimworld. That said, wake me up when you find that your engraver has engraved a room full of images of rats, out of spite because he doesn't like the noble who owns that room. Or when your Rimworld character, when trying to build a well, gets swept away by the current, scratches himself against the bottom, and now you have a full colony of vampires. Because it turned out that character was actually a vampire.

https://www.reddit.com/r/RimworldArt/

i.e. https://i.redd.it/hkb0dqet17k21.png

Re: Dwarf Fortress is coming to Steam with graphics

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Post by peheje »

chimeracoder wrote: post #87
tom_ wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They take backups, name each folder based on the date, and what feature that was just completed (or just about to be started) that prompted the backup. I bet you a pound. This is what everybody that says they don't use version control does.

> They take backups, name each folder based on the date, and what feature that was just completed (or just about to be started) that prompted the backup. I bet you a pound. All they need to do is to compress those folders with zlib, and then they've reinvented git.

diff, branch, merge, blame, stash

Re: Dwarf Fortress is coming to Steam with graphics

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Post by Filligree »

StrangeDoctor wrote: post #37
crooked-v wrote: post #7

"No access to the source code" is a seriously weird thing to note. Is this going to be like one of the existing memory-injecting/manipulating mods, with all the downsides that implies?

It's a roundabout way of assuring the existing community that the integrity of the simulation/game is the same as always. All of these mods are memory injection/watching, but nothing is being done to circumvent the modders.

In fact there's some work done to support them. For instance, it calls SDL_NumJoysticks once per frame to give DFHack a convenient hook location... ...

...that's my fault.

Re: Dwarf Fortress is coming to Steam with graphics

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Post by c3534l »

tom_ wrote: post #54
umvi wrote: post #35

One thing that amazes me about Dwarf Fortress is that the creator(s) don't use version control[1] (as of 2014, things may have changed): "I don't use version control -- I didn't like the feeling of having the code get committed into a black box thingy with no immediate upside." I can't fathom how you can manage the complexity of a game like DF without a VCS. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1avszc/im_tarn_a…

They take backups, name each folder based on the date, and what feature that was just completed (or just about to be started) that prompted the backup. I bet you a pound. This is what everybody that says they don't use version control does.

So they don't use version control software.

Re: Dwarf Fortress is coming to Steam with graphics

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Post by tptacek »

jandrese wrote: post #57
soneca wrote: post #40

I always read about Dwarf Fortress in HN and it always interested me. But some elements, like the ASCII art, always seemed to me as entry barriers purposefully built to maintain a protected subculture that I had no interest in being part of. I just wanted to try out a good game. So this comes as good news to me, I'll probably give it a try now with the tile graphics.

IMHO, the graphics aren't nearly as much of a barrier as the interface. If you just install DF and open it up you will be overwhelmed and there's no help system holding your hand. The word "inscrutable" gets tossed around a lot with Dwarf Fortress, because it is the prefect encapsulation of the first time player's experience.

The interface is part of the charm; you get dopamine hits not just for knowing what to do, but also figuring out (after trial and fun^H^H^Herror) how to do the things you're trying to do.

Re: Dwarf Fortress is coming to Steam with graphics

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Post by ncallaway »

stcredzero wrote: post #131
odorousrex wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does a national health care system (say such as Canada or UK) encroach on personal freedom? (Short of say the obvious...increased taxes for you.) I've found a lot of "opponents" of universal healthcare actually support a safety net for less fortunate people - they just don't want to pay for it. This is a perfectly valid reason, but I wouldn't call it encroaching on personal freedom, so I'm curious as to how else…

they just don't want to pay for it. This is a perfectly valid reason, but I wouldn't call it encroaching on personal freedom, so I'm curious as to how else you see it affecting liberty? For one thing, why are you so insistent that I'm an opponent of health care reform. (Subjectively speaking, there's this sour stickyness of you assuming things inside my head around that. If you are, please, don't. You would be wastin…

> For one thing, why are you so insistent that I'm an opponent of health care reform

I think the assumptions others may have made because you've largely described what you don't want.

Do you have suggestions or thoughts for what an effective system is? What is the system that you do want?

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