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Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

#81
I'm not a painter but I think my experience at learning to play the piano in my 50s is applicable. 30 years after college, where my musical career (clarinet) ended, I finally decided to try to learn to play the piano, having had a desire to do so for decades. I started out by purchasing an inexpensive Yamaha electronic keyboard and some beginner's books, sat down and starting banging away. A year later, after gaining some competency, and, more importantly, learning that I really enjoyed it, I went out a purchased a real piano. While my late start and relative lack of innate talent means that I probably will never be as good as I wished, I can play well enough for my own tastes and I still enjoy both practicing and playing. My only regret is not doing this earlier.

As so many others have stated, the key to learning how to do something is to actually get yourself dirty and do it. The tools you can acquire, the variety of things to paint are endless. The only thing you're missing is the will.

Good luck!

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

#82
Learning is a continuous and long-term process, so it's important to have that source of motivation and inspiration to propel you through the routine. Lots of routine! Not unlike coding in that sense.

If Monet and Hopper is what fuels currently your interest, then just go for it! Pick a work that draws you the most and set it as goal to copy it.

It's a most intimate and rewarding way to connect with your favorite artist! You'd naturally discover and learn tons of stuff both about the artist and techniques.

I'd opt to use just pencil at first, just to get the feeling of the lines, shapes, and flow of the curves/angles. Pencil is the most readily available medium, you likely already have some basic ability to draw lines ( straw man drawings are still drawings!).

To make this 'organized', I'd buy a simple sketchbook, that you'd carry with you, ready for use any moment you'd get time and drive to draw.

Next, very soon, you could explore the color layer by using .... a box of Crayola pencils. Cheap, portable, Real! Same art work now with adding color, strokes too.

Your sketchbook is your diary, good for notes and questions too!

At some point trying out paints becomes just a choice of medium. Keep your motivation burning - the artists you like are excellent guides. But instructors are here for that exact reason to answer your call and help unblock your progress. Boiling in your own juices too long could get you over-cooked :)

And, hey, your sketchbook is your passport on this fun journey! Profitez bien!

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

#83
Art education is a contentious topic, with many people holding very strong opinions which depend on who their favorite artists are, what kind of art they consider good or great, what they consider art to be, and their own knowledge of art history and art education in general.

For hundreds of years, artists were educated in the guild or apprenticeship system, which then transitioned to the French Academy system, and finally away from that to almost anything goes at the turn of the 20th Century when the Academy system was largely abandoned.

This history can be reviewed in a series of wonderful talks[1][2] by Micah Christiansen, whose own specialty as an art historian is in the training of artists in the 19th Century. I can't recommend his talks enough. Virtually all of his talks range from fascinating to spectacular.

The Academy system has been undergoing somewhat of a renaissance in recent decades, with the rising popularity of "ateliers", which teach students how to create representational art using traditional methods. If your goal is to make "realistic" representational art, then going through a good atelier program would be a reliable way to reach that goal.

Jeff Watts has given some informative talks[3] about learning with this method, and Jennifer Marie Keller has documented her own journey learning through an atelier system here: [4]. The most impressive and inspiring videos I've seen of the results that can be achieved by undertaking such an education has been "Jonathan Hardesty's 9 Year Journey From Novice to Master"[5]

Another resource I can heartily recommend is the WetCanvas forum[6], where there is endless amounts of information on art making of all sorts.

From the artists you name in your post, it sounds like you're mostly interested in making representational art, but for other readers who are interested in non-representational or abstract art, experimentation is key, and (though this is a controversial opinion) one does not necessarily need a foundation in drawing, composition, or color to create satisfying work -- though often such a foundation or at least some experience with creating traditional art could help with gaining confidence to experiment -- but the psychology behind art making, though critically important, is beyond the scope of this post.

I'd also encourage you to regularly go to museums, as they can be a great source of inspiration. Also see if you can personally get to know some artists in real life, as they can be inspiring and can help you find your own way. Taking some classes will also be very helpful, even if you don't go in to an atelier program.

There are lots of resources online, and lots of books on making art, but most tend to be unstructured and unless you're exceptionally disciplined and determined, it will be difficult to get far if you're completely on your own. Being part of some sort of artistic community can really help you stay motivated and take your art to the next level.

Good luck!

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45fkkNdGKOw

[2] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQamD9UiNos

[3] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX0MrnzBJ8M

[4] - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuS3tkDFLe5PoeA7qpi6wzA/vid...

[5] - https://vimeo.com/29510470

[6] - http://www.wetcanvas.com/

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

#84
Learn go draw first. Pencil, paper, eraser, sharpener.

Best way to learn to draw is to go to a life drawing session. Drawing the human figure will be a great challenge and will teach you to look at your subject.

Moving onto painting... Read some basic colour theory. Artists say the primary colours are: Red; Blue; Yellow. They mean: Magenta; Cyan; Yellow really. Start with a 6 colour pallette, a warm version and a cool version of each primary colour.

I'm currently attempting to forge a career as a professional artist: https://www.james-o.tools/

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

#85

My career involves making visual art (drawing painting, 3d art and more) there is a lot of great advice here, Kingkawn is absolutely right, familiarity with the materials absolutely shortens the gap between desired results and actual results. billfruit mentioned what my favorite teacher always hammered at me "to learn to draw (/paint) you have to learn to see" learning to interpret what's in front of you as 2d forms,…

As someone who's interested in branching into the more "artistic" side of tech, I'd love to hear what it is you do in your career.

I currently work as a web developer, but enjoy photography and animation on the side.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

#86
post #66

In order to paint, you must first learn how to draw. There is a ton of misinformation on the internet and in literature, especially the famous book - "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain Workbook" [1]. This is a completely wrong way to learn how to draw. It gets you to point where your results may look pleasing but your foundation is going to be weak and it will fall apart. Let me explain. In order to draw convinc…

My training was more in the “Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain” school. My dad, who was trained at the School of Visual Arts in NY, gave me the book as a kid. My drawing teacher in college also focused on representational drawing. Personally, I still recommend “Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain”, because I think it addresses the biggest hurdle: drawing what you actually see, instead of what you “think” you…

Thanks for the advice. From your art I got the sense that, "hey this is a cool dude"... then I found your Alan Watts pixel art :)

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

#87
I went to a master painter for years. And the advice that he always gave was something like: to know how it will look you have to put the paint on the canvas.

And that's it. Put paint on the canvas. Then the rest will follow.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

#88
My SO went to RISD, is an excellent painter technically and that is what she does for a living. From what she has said the first year or two of art school was just a huge grind of doing lots of drawings 8-12 hours a day, ect trying to get as photo-realistically perfect as possible. Lot of drawing people ect. Then there are different styles of painting she would focus specifically on a given style and practice it. But she always starts with a sketch, then under layers, so drawing comes first.

She practices drawing all of the time. She goes to live figure drawing at the local art school every week. Basically what I am saying is that from what I understand to get to a high level of technical skill painting, you start with a high level of technical skill drawing. There may be other ways, but this seems to be the typical path.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

#90
So, I decided to teach myself a few years ago. I made notes as I went, and the process of learning a skill like this is really quite interesting.

The first piece of advice I’d give you is to go out and buy some books. Specifically, aim to buy things that you think you’ll still want to refer to no matter how far you take your skill, rather than books aimed at beginners: books designed as reference books and aimed at artists are ideal. First book I bought was ‘Color and Light’ by James Gurney. Also, buy the book Art & Fear if you don’t own it already.

At first, this is all about fear of failure. One of the main differences in the way children learn to adults is that children don’t have this fear. It’s taught and it can be unlearnt, but you’re probably going to have to confront it at some point. Sooner is better. Books and lessons aimed at beginners almost never help here. The usual beginner-type books instead try to teach lessons that you can succeed at, trying to avoid doing things that trigger that fear. To learn, you need to try to do things you can’t already do, not avoid them (this is also the key difference between practice and rehearsal. To learn something new, you need to make sure to practice and not rehearse).

What I think is that it's better to try to learn from sources that are beyond you than those that are already in your grasp. The problem is that at first, it’s very discouraging to try to do these kinds of things. So particularly at first, I’d recommend dealing with your feelings about painting much more than the actual skill itself. In particular, remember things that make you want to paint so you can find a reason to paint every day. When it comes to fear, curiosity is its antidote. If you try to achieve a specific effect in a particular painting, you can fail and that hurts; if instead you’re just curious about what would happen if you try something new, the results are just interesting. Occasionally they’ll be much better than you’re expecting, and those instances are addictive.

The overall process of learning these skills is interesting: at first it’s a bunch of small isolated skills, like the fine motor skills needed to make your brushes go where you intend. It’s quite frustrating because things don’t work together at first - so you might find that you're able to draw individual shapes quite well but they all look wrong when you try to put them together into a picture, or your shading will always look blobby and weird in an actual picture even though it looks OK when you focus on just that. Here’s the interesting thing: the isolated skills start to link up and it seems to be a sudden thing.

For example, I once set aside a day to just focus on learning how to build up shadows as nothing had ever worked well in the past and found to my surprise that there was nothing left to learn - things I’d already learnt just linked together and everything I tried came out exactly as I'd intended (which was a great feeling as I'd been learning for 2 years at that point and 'draws weird shadows' was starting to etch it's way into my identity). I had a similar experience with learning to draw in perspective.

There’s another stage too: after a while of things linking up it develops into a kind of language - which makes me wonder if that’s what language actually is: just a way to organize and regulate different interconnected parts of the mind: it definitely explains a lot about why the experience of drawing and painting comes so naturally to some people yet is so hard to properly explain to others.

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