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Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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Post by dageshi »

RivieraKid wrote: post #143

This shows utter incompetence and detachment from reality by European legislators. Maybe it seemed like good idea in theory but the only practical significant impact is that browsing the web has become more annoying. Surely there are solutions that don't require a popup on every webpage you visit? For example enforcing no tracking by default for advertising purposes?

I installed a plugin in firefox that just autoclicks "yes" or closes (no clue which) either way it makes the web much less annoying.

Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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Post by Jach »

scrollaway wrote: post #45
fixermark wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth noting that the United States considers a right to keep and bear arms as important as a right to free speech. Internationally, reasonable disagreement on rights seen by some as fundamental is to be expected.

You make a fair point, but the right to bear arms is mainly controversial for safety reasons. What safety issues are there with providing customers control (or at least visibility) over their data? It's also worth pointing out that the right to bear arms, by its origin, should probably be called the "right to revolt". While this is still a controversial issue for governments (governments don't want revolt), it's less…

There is a safety issue in that data previously only visible internally is now also exposed to the customer/user and any unauthorized person successfully pretending to be them. The problem of "account compromised" now becomes a bigger (potentially much bigger) problem of "account compromised and juicy data is exfiltrated under a GDPR data dump request (and maybe followed by a request for deletion right after maybe making it so that the authorized user can't even know what was taken)".

Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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Post by ernesth »

ucarion wrote: post #80
pedro_hab wrote: post #46

What I don't understand is why websites hosted outside the EU, for non-EU users have the cookie banners. At least keep it in Europe, use the IP to geolocate, let the EU users deal it. Some companies have outright banned EU traffic, sounds like only showing the banners for EU IPs seems ok.

The sibling comment is right -- and furthermore, thanks to holdovers from colonialism, the EU is a vast area that the sun never sets on. Reunion, French Guinea, and Curacao are just as European as Bruxelles is.

> French Guinea

French Guinea no longer exist (it is now the (non european) Republic of Guinea). Confused with French Guiana (where Kourou is located)?

Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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Post by paulmd »

plopz wrote: post #145
DavideNL wrote: post #128

In The Netherlands the Data Protection Authority announced this month that websites are no longer allowed to block access when people click "NO" in the cookie warning; Clicking 'no' should still allow people to view the website, but without placing any tracking cookies. Source (in Dutch): https://autoriteitpersoonsgegevens.nl/nl/nieuws/websites-moe...

So websites are supposed to just absorb the cost? That seems like a ridiculous stance.

No, they're supposed to serve generic, non-tracking ads. Non-targeted, or whatever the terminology is.

It's hilarious how everyone has just forgotten that used to be a thing. The people on this website are literally the problem, you can't even conceive of a website that doesn't track every click you make across the whole internet, and you guys are the people building the new web.

Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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Post by ihuman »

jsharf wrote: post #139
ihuman wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would that solve anything? The comment you are replying to doesn't want to be asked for permission for cookies. The commentor wants all the cookie requests to be accepted automatically.

He's suggesting making the decision once, per-browser, not per-website, whether or not to allow cookies. Then the browser can include this information in the HTTP header, so the website never needs to ask you.

Oh, Ok. I initially read it as the browsers should ask the user whenever they send personally identifying info, which is basically the status quo. Thanks for correcting me.

Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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Post by skybrian »

plopz wrote: post #145
DavideNL wrote: post #128

In The Netherlands the Data Protection Authority announced this month that websites are no longer allowed to block access when people click "NO" in the cookie warning; Clicking 'no' should still allow people to view the website, but without placing any tracking cookies. Source (in Dutch): https://autoriteitpersoonsgegevens.nl/nl/nieuws/websites-moe...

So websites are supposed to just absorb the cost? That seems like a ridiculous stance.

Well, saying it's ridiculous isn't an argument.

it's expensive and maybe non-viable for many websites. But it's not like all websites need to exist? There was a world wide web before cookies.

Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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Post by smileysteve »

RivieraKid wrote: post #143

This shows utter incompetence and detachment from reality by European legislators. Maybe it seemed like good idea in theory but the only practical significant impact is that browsing the web has become more annoying. Surely there are solutions that don't require a popup on every webpage you visit? For example enforcing no tracking by default for advertising purposes?

How do you remember that a customer has responded to a popup if you don't give them a cookie? Even a cookie as a session identifier.

Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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Post by scrollaway »

duxup wrote: post #75
scrollaway wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I entirely agree with the premise that citizens don't know their rights well enough. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't be available to them. Most people don't know how to read nutrition labels either; they're still there and it's a good thing they're there. Do you think they should be removed simply because people don't know how to read them? I can make the same argument as to why I believe open source is importan…

I'm not saying remove them, but I wouldn't argue they're useful if people did not read them.... I've seen nutrition labels reworked repeatedly. Privacy laws aren't going to be helpful if most people don't know. Even if I opt out on say my phone... it doesn't matter if they get much of the same data form my friend's phone, about me... I think there's a lot of GDPR banner waving and it's really not helping. People thin…

As I said in other parts of the thread, I agree GDPR still needs work and improvements.

> People think any criticism of GDPR is a suggestion that it shouldn't exist

Untrue; what I do repeatedly see though is people who think that just because GDPR has flaws, the whole thing needs to be ripped to shreds and we were better off without it.

Re: Cookie Warning Shenanigans Have Got to Stop

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Post by deanalevitt »

paulmd wrote: post #154
plopz wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So websites are supposed to just absorb the cost? That seems like a ridiculous stance.

No, they're supposed to serve generic, non-tracking ads. Non-targeted, or whatever the terminology is. It's hilarious how everyone has just forgotten that used to be a thing. The people on this website are literally the problem, you can't even conceive of a website that doesn't track every click you make across the whole internet, and you guys are the people building the new web.

Which is what DuckDuckGo does, I think.
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