Let’s say these planes should have never been certified. What’s the financial damage to Boeing?
So far their stock has dipped to the level it was at the end of January.
It's still 15% up on December.
Canada grounds Boeing 737 Max 8
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Re: Canada grounds Boeing 737 Max 8
#32They claim this is based on new "validated" satellite tracking data they received this morning showing similar altitude fluctuations to the Lion Air crash. Somehow every internet forum had this figured out within hours of the crash using public flight tracker data. I find it worrying that it took them so long to come to the obvious conclusion for lack of "validation" of widely known information, and that it took so l…
> Somehow every internet forum had this figured out within hours
Assuming "figured out" was not sarcastic: can you recommend any particular threads? I'd love to go beyond the coverage in major newspapers.
Re: Canada grounds Boeing 737 Max 8
#33Having read many commments on HN and elsewhere since the crash, I know I’m in the minority here when I say this but to me it seems like the US airlines and FAA are following their procedures, the same procedures that make the US airlines the safest in the world, while the rest of the world is, I don’t quite want to use the word panicking, but at least giving into pressure from people who aren’t aviation safety expert…
> the same procedures that make the US airlines the safest in the world
Citation needed?
> Let the downvotes begin.
Bracing for impact doesn't invalidate the cause of it.
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#34Since its a ban on all Canadian airspace, will this effect American flights which pass over Canada? I imagine quite a few flights cross over the southern part of Ontario.
If it were just southern Ontario that would be one thing. Every flight from the US west coast to Europe spends half (from SEA) to a third (from SFO or LAX) of its flight time in Canadian airspace. However all such flights would likely already be affected due to the widespread European bans. I have no idea if any of those routes were served by 737 Max 8s.
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#35By now its safe to assume that most pilot will know about this specific issue and know how to handle it. Well, except those Ethiopian pilot. I don't see reason to ban.
Re: Canada grounds Boeing 737 Max 8
#36They claim this is based on new "validated" satellite tracking data they received this morning showing similar altitude fluctuations to the Lion Air crash. Somehow every internet forum had this figured out within hours of the crash using public flight tracker data. I find it worrying that it took them so long to come to the obvious conclusion for lack of "validation" of widely known information, and that it took so l…
> I find it worrying that it took them so long to come to the obvious conclusion Aviation regulators and internet forums are literally at the opposite end of the spectrum with regards to jumping to conclusions.
That's a truism. You're kind of ignoring their point though, which was that the data existed and was readily available.
Internet forums may be "jumping to conclusion" but regulators have had this data for days, and didn't act on it. They only acted after regulators in Europe and elsewhere acted first.
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#37By now its safe to assume that most pilot will know about this specific issue and know how to handle it. Well, except those Ethiopian pilot. I don't see reason to ban.
Wow, I cannot believe your conclusion is that "most pilot will know about this specific issue and know how to handle it"...
Re: Canada grounds Boeing 737 Max 8
#38Having read many commments on HN and elsewhere since the crash, I know I’m in the minority here when I say this but to me it seems like the US airlines and FAA are following their procedures, the same procedures that make the US airlines the safest in the world, while the rest of the world is, I don’t quite want to use the word panicking, but at least giving into pressure from people who aren’t aviation safety expert…
Aviation safety is written with blood, a high cost for every safety measure conceived. It is one of the areas where it's better to be wrong and safe.
Aircrash investigations take a lot of time, and sometimes, well, sometimes you have to act on preliminary information or even guesses if it is on the safer side.
Re: Canada grounds Boeing 737 Max 8
#39This goes beyond aircraft at the moment. The NTSB and America in general used to lead. Now it seems the world is going to get on without them.
KAYAK has reported that people in the USA are filtering out 737 MAX8/9 flights now in ever increasing numbers. (Orbitz and Expedia have followed KAYAK's lead and added filters to filter out this plane.)
IMO, It's only a matter of time before public pressure forces either the government, or the carriers themselves to ground the planes.
Re: Canada grounds Boeing 737 Max 8
#40Minister is saying that he faced no pressure from US or Boeing.
We need a Pants on Fire emoji. Or maybe a Pinocchio Nose.