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Spotify to Apple: Time to Play Fair

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Re: Spotify to Apple: Time to Play Fair

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What am I missing here? Why can Spotify not redirect users to subscribe on their own website? I'm pretty sure I signed up on Spotifys website, then logged into my iPhone. Apple definitely don't get 30% of that subscription fee.

Because Apple rejects their app whenever they try something like that, or even have phrasing suggesting that users do so without actually redirecting themselves.

Re: Spotify to Apple: Time to Play Fair

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Also see https://marco.org/2018/09/17/overcast5 > That’s why I nearly jumped for joy during the watchOS 5 announcement in June, when Apple unveiled most of my list of watchOS changes needed to make good podcast apps. In my understanding, an Apple Watch Spotify app would surely be technically feasible as of watchOS 5 (but I might be in the wrong here, I haven't tried myself more than read the available API docs).

Seems like there's still the issue of networking, and I guess if the accusations about the Spotify app rejections are true then I wouldn't be surprised if a Watch app that allows offline playback would get rejected.

> Seems like there's still the issue of networking

Yes, but I would guess that limitation is done for some "legitimate" technical reason. Streaming Apple Music on the watch just kills the battery life in my experience, and it seems pretty on par with Apple's M-O of limiting expensive hardware access to third parties (like multitasking back in the days). But who knows, could perhaps be out of some evil anti-spotify spite.

> I wouldn't be surprised if a Watch app that allows offline playback would get rejected.

Maybe, but Pandora seems to have done it without problem. https://9to5mac.com/2019/01/04/pandora-apple-watch-update/

Re: Spotify to Apple: Time to Play Fair

#273

I agree that Spotify is taking the right stance. In their position, working on whatever team is responsible for fighting Apple, I would also do anything in my power to fight. Having said this, Apple can do as they please. They control the hardware, the OS, the App Store, and the user accounts. The same was true of Twitter who effectively squeezed access to their API until one or two desktop clients remained. The only…

Legislating consumer right to root and sideload is even better solution.

Re: Spotify to Apple: Time to Play Fair

#274

I agree that Spotify is taking the right stance. In their position, working on whatever team is responsible for fighting Apple, I would also do anything in my power to fight. Having said this, Apple can do as they please. They control the hardware, the OS, the App Store, and the user accounts. The same was true of Twitter who effectively squeezed access to their API until one or two desktop clients remained. The only…

> Imagine if Spotify offered a lower rate for Android users...

They already did, the 12.99 for premium was only for purchase through the App store.

Re: Spotify to Apple: Time to Play Fair

#275
Yes please. EU commission, please fine the shit out of Apple and give them a reality check that they infact are a bully.

I have given all hope on the US govt doing anything to help the average joe. It’s a govt lobbied and paid for by corporations.

Re: Spotify to Apple: Time to Play Fair

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They have a monopoly over their own app store. It's not like Spotify can just choose to distribute their iOS app directly or through a 3rd party app store

Isn't that like saying a store has a monopoly over their shelves?

Except that if I don't like one store, I can always go to another. That's the case with Android, and at least to an extent with Windows (even store apps can be distributed and installed by package if you don't want to use their store, plus classic Windows apps are still a thing). With iOS, it's Apple's way or no way at all. There's no competition.

Re: Spotify to Apple: Time to Play Fair

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That’s like demanding newpapers pay full price for ad space on their own pages. Just absurd. What does it even mean, Apple owns Apple Music.

Apple have a monopoly on the distribution of iOS apps, so they are required to offer fair terms to all app vendors, including themselves. Apple could charge themselves the 30% App Store fee for Apple Music, demonstrating that the App Store is a fair marketplace that doesn't artificially advantage Apple's own services. It would then be incumbent on Apple to prove that Apple Music is priced fairly, rather than being de…

NYT Newspaper also has a monopoly on distribution of ads on NYT pages, so should they charge themselves to put their own ads?

Re: Spotify to Apple: Time to Play Fair

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Apple doesn't have a monopoly, it's less than 30% of the European phone market

They have a monopoly over their own app store. It's not like Spotify can just choose to distribute their iOS app directly or through a 3rd party app store

> They have a monopoly over their own app store.

Um, of course?

Re: Spotify to Apple: Time to Play Fair

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Considering all of the dirty tricks and favoritism between Spotify and Facebook, I’m not sure they are the right messengers for this. Oh, and one of the early execs involved with Spotify told me, point blank, “that man needs to die already” in reference to Steve Jobs before his passing. Yeah, I was just as shocked as you might be in reading that. I doubt I was the only one aware of such dark sentiments. The executive…

Considering your other comment with "billion dollar investors" in a company that was barely worth 1 billion dollars back then, this definitely reads like a made-up story.

Re: Spotify to Apple: Time to Play Fair

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Let's be fair then: Phones now have the same level of processing power as portable computers. We shouldn't be obligated to only run applications that are siphoned thru a third party "trusted clearinghouse", be it the smartphone or the operating system vendor. If I want more safety or I am not a Power User, I can flick a switch on the device to allow that binding behavior to happen. Heck, they are giving me the 'free…

> Phones now have the same level of processing power as portable computers. We shouldn't be obligated to only run applications that are siphoned thru a third party "trusted clearinghouse", be it the smartphone or the operating system vendor.

I pay a lot of money for iPad Pros and Google Pixelbooks for precisely this functionality. When the user can run anything they want, the result is the unsafe landscape of malware we see on common desktop OSes.

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