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Spotify to Apple: Time to Play Fair

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Re: Spotify to Apple: Time to Play Fair

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Seeing this makes me want to get even further away from Apple's ecosystem. 4 years ago, I was all in- Mac, iPad, iPhone. In the last 4 years, I've been driven away by Apple seeming contempt for professional users. Their contempt for other competition is even graver cause for concern.

Sometimes I think so too. And then I look at the alternative ecosystems. Google? Amazon? Microsoft? Not even tempted...

Re: Spotify to Apple: Time to Play Fair

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe this is their point: Apple deliberately leaves those features unbuilt in order to give itself a market position that others can't compete with

Which raises the question: to what degree does a platform owner have a responsibility to support the businesses of others? Rephrased, Spotify seems to think it has a /right/ to run its software on Apple platforms in an identical fashion to Apple's first-party software. Does that mean Apple has an obligation to provide an equivalent technical capacity for literally any software that runs on its devices? An app store?…

EDIT: This is no longer true, and doesn't exist in the guidelines

[---- obsolete info ----]

Yeah, it's a bit of a grey area.

However, App Store policies explicitly forbid apps that duplicate iOS and first-party functionality IIRC. Now that Apple has Maps, and Apple Music, and Podcasts, and..., and... should they enforce those rules?

[---- obsolete info ----]

Re: Spotify to Apple: Time to Play Fair

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe this is their point: Apple deliberately leaves those features unbuilt in order to give itself a market position that others can't compete with

Which raises the question: to what degree does a platform owner have a responsibility to support the businesses of others? Rephrased, Spotify seems to think it has a /right/ to run its software on Apple platforms in an identical fashion to Apple's first-party software. Does that mean Apple has an obligation to provide an equivalent technical capacity for literally any software that runs on its devices? An app store?…

> Which raises the question: to what degree does a platform owner have a responsibility to support the businesses of others?

I wish you'd stopped here because this is an interesting question, but the rest of your comment feels like it stretches things a bit.

What Spotify seems to be saying (correct me if I'm wrong), is that Apple does provide the technical capabilities for third parties to do as they're asking, but Apple is rejecting proposals purely on whim. It's not like there's not a API to stream music on the Apple Watch or play music through HomePod. It's all there. Apple's just blocking them from using it.

Re: Spotify to Apple: Time to Play Fair

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Considering all of the dirty tricks and favoritism between Spotify and Facebook, I’m not sure they are the right messengers for this. Oh, and one of the early execs involved with Spotify told me, point blank, “that man needs to die already” in reference to Steve Jobs before his passing. Yeah, I was just as shocked as you might be in reading that. I doubt I was the only one aware of such dark sentiments. The executive…

Doesnt really matter where the sentiment comes from if we’re to have an efficient economy. There should be more choices available. Any idea what made the spotify execs wish death on Jobs?

Re: Spotify to Apple: Time to Play Fair

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Considering all of the dirty tricks and favoritism between Spotify and Facebook, I’m not sure they are the right messengers for this. Oh, and one of the early execs involved with Spotify told me, point blank, “that man needs to die already” in reference to Steve Jobs before his passing. Yeah, I was just as shocked as you might be in reading that. I doubt I was the only one aware of such dark sentiments. The executive…

You’re not really painting Apple in a good light here, either.

Re: Spotify to Apple: Time to Play Fair

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post #17

Considering all of the dirty tricks and favoritism between Spotify and Facebook, I’m not sure they are the right messengers for this. Oh, and one of the early execs involved with Spotify told me, point blank, “that man needs to die already” in reference to Steve Jobs before his passing. Yeah, I was just as shocked as you might be in reading that. I doubt I was the only one aware of such dark sentiments. The executive…

"Making life difficult for Spotify could be seen as a way to carry on Steve’s legacy" - how does this benefit me as an Apple customer?

Re: Spotify to Apple: Time to Play Fair

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Spotify asking someone else to play fair, ha, that really made my day... I mean, of all companies, Spotify. Their whole business model is built upon not playing fair with content creators.

They would gladly pay their fair share. They don't own the content, though, the labels do.

As much 70% of a streaming service's revenue (any streaming service, not just Spotify) goes to rights holders.

Re: Spotify to Apple: Time to Play Fair

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This exemplifies some of the reasons proprietary app store lock-in is bad for consumers.

Progressive Web Apps -- web apps that are installable and available offline without any app store -- are a viable alternative, and ultimately a threat to Apple's app store racket. It's likely why iOS Safari continues to drag it's feet on PWA support.

Re: Spotify to Apple: Time to Play Fair

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which raises the question: to what degree does a platform owner have a responsibility to support the businesses of others? Rephrased, Spotify seems to think it has a /right/ to run its software on Apple platforms in an identical fashion to Apple's first-party software. Does that mean Apple has an obligation to provide an equivalent technical capacity for literally any software that runs on its devices? An app store?…

EDIT: This is no longer true, and doesn't exist in the guidelines [---- obsolete info ----] Yeah, it's a bit of a grey area. However, App Store policies explicitly forbid apps that duplicate iOS and first-party functionality IIRC. Now that Apple has Maps, and Apple Music, and Podcasts, and..., and... should they enforce those rules? [---- obsolete info ----]

> However, App Store policies explicitly forbid apps that duplicate iOS and first-party functionality IIRC. Now that Apple has Maps, and Apple Music, and Podcasts, and..., and... should they enforce those rules?

You should probably pull out the relevant quote from the guidelines. I don't think this is a thing anymore, at least in the way you're describing. If they did enforce it it would be a huge blow to the App Store.

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