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US refuses to ground Boeing 737 Max

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Re: US refuses to ground Boeing 737 Max

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Post by hnnmzh »

_cerv wrote: post #45

Some points from personal experience from working at Boeing, family working at Boeing, and a close friend on the flight line for the 737-8; - not everything is back from the Lion Air incident, but internally there was strong confidence that a lack of pilot familiarity with the adjusted mechanics of MCAS contributed to the disaster - reproducing these failures has been extremely hard and has required a lot of cooperat…

> - training for the 737-8 and -9 was just short of non existent because in practice, these planes don’t fly differently.

Have you read this complaint from an actual pilot?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19374386

Quoting the HN post:

"My post flight evaluation is that we lacked the knowledge to operate the aircraft in all weather and aircraft states safely.

The instrumentation is completely different - My scan was degraded, slow and labored having had no experience w/ the new ND (Navigation Display) and ADI (Attitude Director Indicator) presentations/format or functions (manipulation between the screens and systems pages were not provided in training materials. If they were, I had no recollection of that material).

We were unable to navigate to systems pages and lacked the knowledge of what systems information was available to us in the different phases of flight. Our weather radar competency was inadequate to safely navigate significant weather on that dark and stormy night. These are just a few issues that were not addressed in our training."

Re: US refuses to ground Boeing 737 Max

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Post by AsyncAwait »

askmike wrote: post #139
isostatic wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite. That doesn’t pass the sniff test. If it turns out this is Boeing’s fault, for the reasons suspected, and the FAA have staked their reputation on it - I fear for the future of airline safety.

It seems to be that the crash situations are way too complex to blame a single party. Since a chain of events (automatic systems, pilot actions) seems the be responsible for the crashes. I imagine that besides what is being done to make sure this doesn't happen again, a lot of time is being spent on making sure that whatever changes, the crashes cannot be blamed on them.

> It seems to be that the crash situations are way too complex to blame a single party.

It seems to me like Boeing is very much intent on blaming a single party, ("3rd world pilots/airlines").

Re: US refuses to ground Boeing 737 Max

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Post by AsyncAwait »

tzakrajs wrote: post #2

What does the US know that the EU or China doesn't which gives them such confidence? Any clues?

They know that they have to protect the economic interests of their companies and if that means blaming everything on '3rd world pilots', (with the implied racism and all that), so be it.

Re: US refuses to ground Boeing 737 Max

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Post by AsyncAwait »

briandear wrote: post #101
redisman wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our actual current Secretary of Defense spent 30 years at Boeing.

And that has zero relevance here as the FAA is Department of Transportation.

Right, and the departments are completely separated and don't work on a 'You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours' basis, ever. /s

Re: US refuses to ground Boeing 737 Max

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Post by Krasnol »

Grue3 wrote: post #140

How improbable was two Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777-200ER flights crashing within five months? Should all Boeing 777-200ER airplanes be grounded? Or all Malaysian Airlines flights? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 By the way it took years to figure out how exactly these crashed.

According to this post and all the bonus that came out in the comments, they should've been grounded before the accidents: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19373216

Re: US refuses to ground Boeing 737 Max

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Post by StreamBright »

Grue3 wrote: post #140

How improbable was two Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777-200ER flights crashing within five months? Should all Boeing 777-200ER airplanes be grounded? Or all Malaysian Airlines flights? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 By the way it took years to figure out how exactly these crashed.

Should we ground Russian surface to air rockets instead?
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