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Re: “HackerNoon is leaving Medium, but also trying to take rights for people's work”

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post #14

Wanted to clarify why Hacker Noon had to move off Medium. Here’s why: 1. Medium decided it no longer wanted to support independent publications of curators and writers like us, The Awl (RIP), The Ringer, and others. 2. Medium at one point allowed publications to monetize using promotions, but arbitrarily decided to cut those off earlier last year, which cut off many independent curators and publications from their so…

For those without full context, this comment is by Hacker Noon's CEO ^^

Re: “HackerNoon is leaving Medium, but also trying to take rights for people's work”

#52
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>betting on a platform as a business is a really bad idea I can't really think of any business that isn't built or at least highly reliant on someone else's platform right now. Uber/Lyft are hopelessly dependent on iOS and Android. And that goes for any business that is heavily reliant on their mobile app. Then everyone else is reliant at leadt on the credit card networks to process their payments. They would go out…

>Uber/Lyft are hopelessly dependent on iOS and Android At least uber isn't, and maybe more recently lyft also moved out. You can use the uber mobile website to hail cabs. I don't have google play services or the uber app.

I have used Uber from a browser from my laptop. It works but not quite as well. I couldnt tip, and it refused a valid credit card once with some weird error message. So I wouldnt recommend the non-app versions if you're pressed for time etc.

Re: “HackerNoon is leaving Medium, but also trying to take rights for people's work”

#53
Medium will be a better place without Hackernoon's clickbaity & shallow articles.

That being said, Medium has broken its platform with the aggressive roll out of premium. I guess it depends on which categories you are interested in but for knowledgeable and in-depth tech articles the best articles are not written by authors looking to earn a couple of dollars as a side gig.

They are written by people that wants to create a profile for themselves and/or as content marketing for a company. A star marker is rarely an indication of a very in depth article and is never written by a true expert in the subject. These authors just don't write with the incentive to make money from the content itself.

Medium.com used to be a create recommendation engine for quality & related content. Now the recommendations are garbage full of clickbaity & shallow articles with a star marker. And their search is terrible and lacking in basic features like time filtering/sorting. When you search now you get many 2-3 year old articles in fast changing tech subjects which are completely uninteresting. A great search and ability to build some feeds/channels is actually a feature I would pay for.

Maybe other niches creates different experiences but for tech it is not a platform worth exploring beyond the article you came for via a twitter link.

Re: “HackerNoon is leaving Medium, but also trying to take rights for people's work”

#54
post #43

For anyone thinking about publishing anything on Medium, here's a little story: Since day 1 I self hosted my blog, starting about 3.5 years ago. About a year ago I read about how much of an SEO boost and new eyes I would get by re-publishing my articles on Medium (with canonical URLs pointing back to my site) and it sounded good on paper. Medium is essentially a marketplace for blogs and can act as a way to promote y…

This comes up every-time YouTube tweaks their algorithm and some YouTubers lose some number of views. It always seems like creators expect the platform to drive traffic to their blog/channel/creative work/etc. when in reality the creator is ultimately responsible for doing the legwork of marketing.

Re: “HackerNoon is leaving Medium, but also trying to take rights for people's work”

#55

I don't know what Medium is like for writers but it certainly doesn't feel like a better model for me as a reader. I'm reluctant to click on links to Medium on HN at this point because of their incessant nagging and popups for me to register.

Whereas I'm reluctant to click Medium.com links because I have no idea if the article is from a publication with paid writers, or from the armies of self-styled "thought leaders" and "life-hackers" dumping their blogspam on Medium just as they do with Inc.com, Forbes.com and the like.

Re: “HackerNoon is leaving Medium, but also trying to take rights for people's work”

#56
post #53

Medium will be a better place without Hackernoon's clickbaity & shallow articles. That being said, Medium has broken its platform with the aggressive roll out of premium. I guess it depends on which categories you are interested in but for knowledgeable and in-depth tech articles the best articles are not written by authors looking to earn a couple of dollars as a side gig. They are written by people that wants to cr…

I really wish I noticed this before I dished out for premium. Was sadly disappointed when my inbox was just flooded with terrible, unsophisticated articles I don’t care much for.

Re: “HackerNoon is leaving Medium, but also trying to take rights for people's work”

#57
post #29

I posted this thing on Twitter, but just to be clear about what's going on here: they've replied and said their terms of service were not really intended to be harsh, they don't want your content, and that they'll revise them ( https://twitter.com/ow/status/1105462220517969920 ). One day when Twitter actually implements tweet editing, these types of threads can start with a bit more clarity. That said: Medium, as an…

I wrote several software development articles for Hacker Noon on Medium and I was able to accumulate a decent number of followers. I feel that Hacker Noon contributed the most value in terms of reaching the right users. Medium just capitalizes preexisting network effects and adds no real value.

I see the same dynamic but credit the exact reverse. Hacker Noon accumulated followers by aggregating articles that were already published on Medium. They were publishing 30 articles a day without adding any editorial value. That got the flywheel going where since they were a big publication, authors would submit directly to them.

But all they did was aggregate Medium users and authors without adding any additional value.

Re: “HackerNoon is leaving Medium, but also trying to take rights for people's work”

#58

I don't know what Medium is like for writers but it certainly doesn't feel like a better model for me as a reader. I'm reluctant to click on links to Medium on HN at this point because of their incessant nagging and popups for me to register.

> their incessant nagging and popups for me to register.

This says more about the somewhat sad state of the web at this point, but I at least prefer that Medium is a known quantity. I get one popup from Medium, asking me to login. On other sites, I might have to click through a couple of ads and a cookie notice.

Re: “HackerNoon is leaving Medium, but also trying to take rights for people's work”

#59

I guess I just don't read enough clickbait swill. I had never even heard of "HackerNoon" until 30 seconds ago, and the fact that people refer to it as "HN" (just like Hacker News) is a bit confusing and annoying. At any rate, there doesn't appear to be anything too scandalous here. Some "brand entity" was curating content submissions, hosted on Medium. The curator decides to start hosting their own CMS site, and asks…

> That's the trade-off for having used that original host for its "foot traffic" benefits at the outset.

This is a pretty good case for steering clear of Facebook and Discord if you're trying to create a community (rather than just post memes or whatever.)

Re: “HackerNoon is leaving Medium, but also trying to take rights for people's work”

#60
post #53

Medium will be a better place without Hackernoon's clickbaity & shallow articles. That being said, Medium has broken its platform with the aggressive roll out of premium. I guess it depends on which categories you are interested in but for knowledgeable and in-depth tech articles the best articles are not written by authors looking to earn a couple of dollars as a side gig. They are written by people that wants to cr…

Hey Danols, David from Hacker Noon here. Publishing is a hard business. While I don't agree with everything you said, I do like you believe that the best stuff to read is from the expert themselves. Sometimes the articles we publish are too shallow (we will work to improve quality), and other times we're able to achieve a better place to read (by publishing top tech professionals https://hackernoon.com/archive/).
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