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How a small group of activists got gas-powered leaf blowers banned in D.C.

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Re: How a small group of activists got gas-powered leaf blowers banned in D.C.

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"More efficient" is not a binary thing. Taking an efficient engine that's capable of throwing two tons of steel down a highway at 100 mph and using it to charge a lithium ion battery is like killing an ant with a sledgehammer. An F150 consumes ~2 litres of fuel an hour at idle and provides 400 watts of power through its outlet. A Bosch leaf blower is 2400 watt. Petrol powered leaf blowers do not use 12 liters of fuel…

Ford is promising to produce a hybrid F150 that would upend your green calculus entirely.

> This is clearly a niche for PHEVs or BEVs.

(And yes it would, and that's great!)

Re: How a small group of activists got gas-powered leaf blowers banned in D.C.

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Yeah, this is absolutely a selfish act. Completely ignoring that most, if not all, of your neighbors will be annoyed by the sound just because it's easier for you is the very definition of selfishness.

The person using the leaf blower isn't the selfish one here.

I don’t think you understand the meaning of that word then. Using a loud leaf blower with complete disregard for those around you is selfish.

Re: How a small group of activists got gas-powered leaf blowers banned in D.C.

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Do those need to be leaf-free? I mean I thought the point was lawns, with less labor than a rake. But on land far too steep for lawn, can't you just leave things alone? (I own exactly 2 pot-plants, FWIW.)

It's not too steep for a lawn though. (It's tough to mow, but not impossible.) Plus even if you have flowers and such you don't want lots of leaves there.

How do you mow lawn on a slope you can't even reach with a rake? Maybe with a goat? :)

And, in my limited understanding of horticulture, I thought leaves happened later in the year than flowers. Don't they blow off or turn into fertiliser before spring?

Re: How a small group of activists got gas-powered leaf blowers banned in D.C.

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Have you ever looked at any sort of public grounds? Because your home isn’t the only place on earth with leaves and I don’t know where you got the idea. Public parks, office perimeters, college campuses, busy roadsides, and yes, home lawns are all locations where people gather up leaves to burn them or send them off to the garbage. These are spaces in which billions of people spend all day and expect to be “cleaned”…

You clearly live in an urban area. You can see them on maps represented as little dots. Sometimes little blobs. All the other 'empty' parts of the map? Well, this may come as a surprise, but it consists of millions of acres of forests, trees, and wilderness. You could nuke every city in America and the 'worm' population wouldn't even notice. It's amusingly myopic to worry about the leaves in an urban area where, most…

I grew up in rural America, and you're obviously not. :)

I'm very used to people around me gathering up acres of leaves to burn.

Your argument is exactly the same as what's used by climate change deniers. America has forests, yeah. But half the country is dedicated to agriculture and towns. A lot of the untouched land is fairly mountainous or lacking in deciduous trees, i.e., not great territory for worms and insects.

It's bizarre how people still deny obvious human actions having affects on populations of the little creatures below us. We know that their populations are dropping faster every year. Spraying poison and depriving the ground of nutrients are pretty strong candidates for causes.

Re: How a small group of activists got gas-powered leaf blowers banned in D.C.

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For now you’d probably be right in some cases but not all. It’s certainly on the cusp of changing. A petrol lawnmower still wins for long runtimes, though even that can be mitigated by having multiple batteries. It’s fair to say the electric upsides are marginal with mowers. Whereas with hand tools like leaf blowers and line trimmers, the benefits are massive. Professional electric garden tools place the battery pack…

You blow up a lot of dust with a leaf blower, so a face mask is probably a good idea regardless

Perhaps a good idea if you’re blowing all day but I rarely feel the need and I have dust & pollen allergies.

Either way, with electric you’re not breathing in concentrated nitrous oxide and two-stroke oil soot. To deal with dust you’d only need a light and relatively comfortable fabric mask like they use in hospitals (or on Japanese public transport).

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Have you considered an electric leaf blower?

i have one. It works about a 1/4 as well as a gas one. Using a rake takes me 2 days to rake my yard. (about 16 hours) An electric blower, 1.5 days (roughly 10-12 hours) A gas blower takes me about 4 hours. I have 2 medical conditions going on right now and can't pay someone $200 every single time i need my yard picked up. I spend enough in medical bills right now.

If you email me (email in profile), I would like to help you find a solution considering your constraints.

Re: How a small group of activists got gas-powered leaf blowers banned in D.C.

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It would make them too heavy. Two stroke engines have a great power to weight ratio, which is pretty much the only reason that they are used.

Not sure I buy that it would be too heavy, especially in the case of the backpack models.

funny and curious I dont know about these big garden grass cutters, We dont have it in Brazil almost in the integrality , maybe fery few , but anyway even around the world I dont remember playing with this kind of machine, so, well...I read in Hackernews before that some people got their feet hurt riding those things If I am not mistaken and remember well

design flaws...

Is it a Diesel powered machine???

As Noisy and dirty and pollutant as an old obsolete type non-oil-free , I mean non-screw type , the kind with two cylinder pistons on top, probably as explosion chamber, and motriz energy transmitters compounded of barenaked unrailed conveyour belts (they convey energy) that,

Well...cheap air compressors, you get it, yeah...

design flaws all around kids and old people and even an horizontal wafer making type of toaster maker , a tostapane (italian) can have the design flaw if an old lady stick a rounded point knife to take her toast there and the metal conduces electricty from the not enoughly suficiently , maybe even uninsulated interior of the toastmaker trough the tool to the old ladys hands...

talking about strictly home apliances and house machines, please, no double meanings , thanks

And what a blowtorch is doing with an Motor explosion-based Engine near it???

I dont know, I am not an engineer , much less blowing torches engineer or any kind of blowcraft or blowork engineer, so...anyway...

what about aceylene-oxigen blowtorches? I remember if not mistaken they dont need engines to run it , but I am no combustion coupled liquid fuel mixing engineer, or gas , by any matter, and by all matters...

I am curiou what the DIesiel Polluttance Level of this machines you guys comment about in your comments, The European Union has some standards , named EURO2 (old and obsolete) EURO3 (maybe countries in Africa use it a lot , even the E2 still, so...)... right now maybe they are already on EURO6 version on validity at Europe as for now, I am not sure dont remember things so well, memory yeah...

Diesel of trucks and other transport vehicles , generate heat and pollution...

filters they need for diesel engines, good Filters...FIlters for noise too...a bird or squirrel feels unpleasant to hear such loud noises from these diesel engines, please...

thanks

Re: How a small group of activists got gas-powered leaf blowers banned in D.C.

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I think electric only makes sense for individuals that use these tools once a day at most. Running a lawn maintenance business on electric tools would probably be far more expensive and logistics-heavy.

For now you’d probably be right in some cases but not all. It’s certainly on the cusp of changing. A petrol lawnmower still wins for long runtimes, though even that can be mitigated by having multiple batteries. It’s fair to say the electric upsides are marginal with mowers. Whereas with hand tools like leaf blowers and line trimmers, the benefits are massive. Professional electric garden tools place the battery pack…

so no ear protection is needed, no sooty emissions so no face mask needed, and less vibration so it’s far less fatiguing for all-day use

all day use is A Worker! A stripped reflexive band collar, we call nowadays, blue with yeallow reflexive strips collar or orange with orange reflexive strips collars so...

HOw come how can , how professional workers will give up all protection as you mention!!!???

face mask no, no ear protetction, no vibration protection yes? ... Seriously , Man!!! have you ever worked in a not-white collar office cubicle Job???

honestly!!!

I just went to surf and i see there are very nice and even beautiful orange reflexive and at the same time led enlighted for night use and beautiful if you ask me and orangish light is calming and relaxing but you can See easily so I like it very much it is for dogs in this case but good for bikers too and blue collar with reflexive strips workers on night shift and for marking borders between city areas and trees parks of woods areas or little forest areas so animals humans and other animals instinctively know the separation for whateve knowledge they are concerned or have the free will to do with that...

interesting and maybe need more attention is that I didnt see in Brazil or any other place but probably exists is the crossing arcs/passarelas for road crossing exclusevely for non human animals...that would be nice so small animals know the way to cross above the roads and maybe with the enlighted strips orangeish to see the good way, yeah...

thanks

Re: How a small group of activists got gas-powered leaf blowers banned in D.C.

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For what it's worth a gas powered leaf blower puts out as much pollution in a day of work as a Ford Raptor will in 100,000 miles. Source: https://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/features/emissions-test-...

They could just ban gas-powered leaf blowers to prevent that.

I would maybe ban all kinds of domestic public selling available leaves blowers , if it was in my power, I think, maybe, yes...

in my humble opinion, and maybe I am mistaken, right, theoretically speaking in an hipotetical way of mental thought experiment yeah...

and I say that as a fan of having great fun jetting machines food powders with extrastrong but small tubes of compressed air with a intensity controled exit of air jet, but at hig intensity level set it blows a lot of dust and powder from food packing machinery and it is a lot of fun I have to admit...

so electric leaf blowers can be pretty useful for their specific uses, cleaning things, but not to clean leaves from someones garden, please! honestly!?

to clean sidewalks out of dirty? Yes electric blowers yes made by the same manufacturers of the electric leaveblower that better not be used to blow tree leaves from gardens(!) honestly...but anyway better the same manufacterers make money selling the same similar machine adapted a little to clean sidewalks and send the dirty to plastic contained places yeah...

I wonder if mother nature and godesses around would think about I write an mini/micro Good Robot with >>(my patent, my tech, my trade Mark and copyRights, so take the eyes a little to that side, please!) to with the solely good puporse and intention of separating plast and material in big dumps of garbahe, those mountains of garbage, yes, come on, you can make a cute freaking insect to rovber on surface of Mars and cant make a neutral nice clean R2D2 skater to clean the trash mountains dumps here on near neighbourhood, yeas...

recommended song for sun light bath today is again Bordeaux in my Pirough by Chucky Berry :) :) :)

thanks!

Re: How a small group of activists got gas-powered leaf blowers banned in D.C.

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I understand the noise complaint, I work from home and I hear them all week as my various neighbor's gardeners arrive throughout each day. That said... I have an electric one that is awesome and it's much quieter than the 2-stroke I used to have. Leaf blowers do serve a purpose but the electric ones are a great improvement on noise and pollution.

Indeed leaf blowers produc one of the most distracting and annoying sounds when working from home

Ya, it's not as much of a problem at the office because you maybe hear one leaf blower all week. At home, it's 1-2 per day. When they come do my lawn, it's always while I'm on the phone.
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