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Another former Tesla security manager says the company spied on employees

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Re: Another former Tesla security manager says the company spied on employees

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Post by hi5eyes »

dkural wrote: post #8

In the Elon Way of Thinking, unless you 100% agree on everything and drink the cool aid and roll with rapid reversal of logic giving you whiplash, you are against the mission, and thus the enemy. Since everyone can one day disagree, and thus is potentially the enemy, the conclusion is we must spy on all internal and external entities; and when they disagree with anything, for instance, wanting a better workplace, que…

totallynotacult

elon's hubris makes him and his actions with his companies pretty great entertainment but his treatment of employees and his followers treatment of those not drinking his kool aid is scary. his/teslas brand is interesting

Re: Another former Tesla security manager says the company spied on employees

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Post by lozaning »

dontbenebby wrote: post #15
AndrewBissell wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The tip from Sean Gouthro, the former head of Tesla's global security operations center and investigations, was filed on January 24 and corroborates a tip filed in August from Karl Hansen ... Hansen's tip claimed that Tesla did not disclose to shareholders the theft of raw materials and the unauthorized surveillance and hacking of employee cellphones and computers. This is not a tip about Tesla watching what its em…

>This is not a tip about Tesla watching what its employees are doing on its own equipment and data networks. I'm curious about details on this. Modern phones (well, iPhones at least) are pretty hard to break into. I wonder if it was something like having them install a root certificate to use the company wifi, then using that root cert to spy on other traffic traversing the network (such as leaks to reporters)

Anymore these days its been my experience that cert pinning prevents this from working. Adding a new root cert does not force any of the apps to use the root cert if they've enabled pinning.

Re: Another former Tesla security manager says the company spied on employees

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Post by fbemployee1234 »

bdamm wrote: post #18
aceperry wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just wondering what part is illegal. I'm not familiar with this sort of thing.

Fraud is lying to get paid. The employee is lying about their work (generating fake emails to fluff up email counts) with knowledge that the information is used to gauge work done. Their employment continuance, or bonuses, are partially factored based on this metric. Thus, they are lying to get paid. That is fraud.

In some of my previous employers, this type of work was all any employee actually did. Calling it fraud is probably not accurate.

Has anyone ever gotten prosecuted for brown nosing by shifting email times?

Re: Another former Tesla security manager says the company spied on employees

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Post by GuB-42 »

dontbenebby wrote: post #15
AndrewBissell wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The tip from Sean Gouthro, the former head of Tesla's global security operations center and investigations, was filed on January 24 and corroborates a tip filed in August from Karl Hansen ... Hansen's tip claimed that Tesla did not disclose to shareholders the theft of raw materials and the unauthorized surveillance and hacking of employee cellphones and computers. This is not a tip about Tesla watching what its em…

>This is not a tip about Tesla watching what its employees are doing on its own equipment and data networks. I'm curious about details on this. Modern phones (well, iPhones at least) are pretty hard to break into. I wonder if it was something like having them install a root certificate to use the company wifi, then using that root cert to spy on other traffic traversing the network (such as leaks to reporters)

It is very easy when the phone is left unlocked...

I suspect millions of affairs have been discovered using that elaborate hacking technique. The same thing can be done at work.

Looking over the shoulder is another low tech but quite effective option.

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Post by duado »

bdamm wrote: post #18
aceperry wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just wondering what part is illegal. I'm not familiar with this sort of thing.

Fraud is lying to get paid. The employee is lying about their work (generating fake emails to fluff up email counts) with knowledge that the information is used to gauge work done. Their employment continuance, or bonuses, are partially factored based on this metric. Thus, they are lying to get paid. That is fraud.

Calling that fraud is about as accurate as calling an otter a pencil.

Re: Another former Tesla security manager says the company spied on employees

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Post by norman101 »

dkural wrote: post #8

In the Elon Way of Thinking, unless you 100% agree on everything and drink the cool aid and roll with rapid reversal of logic giving you whiplash, you are against the mission, and thus the enemy. Since everyone can one day disagree, and thus is potentially the enemy, the conclusion is we must spy on all internal and external entities; and when they disagree with anything, for instance, wanting a better workplace, que…

He makes electric cars and spaceships, of course there will be people like you who find a reason to hate him. The contrarians who should just be ignored and brushed away as annoying little squeaky voices as the future drifts further and further away from their ignorant tiny little brains

Re: Another former Tesla security manager says the company spied on employees

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Post by hobs »

throwawaynonce wrote: post #20
Zelphyr wrote: post #10

As an aside, if you’re using company-provided computers and phones your default behavior should be to assume they are spying on you to the degree that they are recording every action you take in those devices. It’s a spectrum—many companies don’t do this at all—but you would be doing well by yourself by assuming they record and track everything. You should also assume all of your traffic while at the office (if your…

> You should also assume all of your traffic while at the office I fell out with my manager at FANG and she got back at me with the lowest rating possible for the year-end review. I chose to get my concerns across to HR about how this was unfair and challenged them to validate her critical feedback with peer engs. Didn't happen. Instead what followed was, I was investigated for violation of company rules such as putt…

Pretty normal whenever HR has decided you need firing. Its similar to the police (in america anyway), make enough rules and you can fire all but the most model employee on a long enough timeline without any effort.

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Post by fromthestart »

hobs wrote: post #27
throwawaynonce wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You should also assume all of your traffic while at the office I fell out with my manager at FANG and she got back at me with the lowest rating possible for the year-end review. I chose to get my concerns across to HR about how this was unfair and challenged them to validate her critical feedback with peer engs. Didn't happen. Instead what followed was, I was investigated for violation of company rules such as putt…

Pretty normal whenever HR has decided you need firing. Its similar to the police (in america anyway), make enough rules and you can fire all but the most model employee on a long enough timeline without any effort.

Sounds like the legal space in the Soviet Union.

You can get rid of anyone if you make enough illegal.

That said, I don't think it's quite so bad in the US.

Re: Another former Tesla security manager says the company spied on employees

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Post by cced »

throwawaynonce wrote: post #20
Zelphyr wrote: post #10

As an aside, if you’re using company-provided computers and phones your default behavior should be to assume they are spying on you to the degree that they are recording every action you take in those devices. It’s a spectrum—many companies don’t do this at all—but you would be doing well by yourself by assuming they record and track everything. You should also assume all of your traffic while at the office (if your…

> You should also assume all of your traffic while at the office I fell out with my manager at FANG and she got back at me with the lowest rating possible for the year-end review. I chose to get my concerns across to HR about how this was unfair and challenged them to validate her critical feedback with peer engs. Didn't happen. Instead what followed was, I was investigated for violation of company rules such as putt…

I’m sorry to hear that. On that note, it seems almost impossible to not use company equipement to look at things which may not be strictly work related such as news, new tech, websites, the occasional Youtube comedy clip.

Seems inhuman to have such strict rules which only serve as a way for the company to kick people out when they moment is opportune.

Re: Another former Tesla security manager says the company spied on employees

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Post by alistairSH »

fromthestart wrote: post #28
hobs wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty normal whenever HR has decided you need firing. Its similar to the police (in america anyway), make enough rules and you can fire all but the most model employee on a long enough timeline without any effort.

Sounds like the legal space in the Soviet Union. You can get rid of anyone if you make enough illegal. That said, I don't think it's quite so bad in the US.

Maybe not as bad as the USSR, but here are some examples that really shouldn't be felonies...

https://mic.com/articles/86797/8-ways-we-regularly-commit-fe...

And a Twitter account that highlights mostly ridiculous laws... https://twitter.com/crimeaday?lang=en

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