This was done algorthmically. No doubt about it.
Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for Facebook breakup
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Re: Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for Facebook breakup
#52Serious question(s), not trolling. Why shouldn't Facebook take down the ad that's calling for a break up of their Company? How is this any different from a person walking into a store and asking to place an ad inside the store calling for breakup or shutting down of said store? What store owner would ever allow such a thing? Why would (or should) any business allow any sort of propaganda that strikes at the heart of…
The answer to questions 1, 3, and 4 is 'because free speech' (not to be confused with the 1st amendment). Once a business is large enough to substantially affect which messages can get attention, if they restrict certain messages, they're restricting speech - speech is no good if you can't get anyone to hear you. Facebook isn't big enough to entirely stifle a message, but they can substantially reduce its reach. That…
Your post should not be downvoted. You make good points and even if someone disagrees with them the points do have merit. In the U.S. we regulate political television ads by not allowing stations to refuse to run them. It seems appropriate to think that the same should hold for a company like Facebook. As you say it does have the power to stifle speech and thus society does have a compelling interest in this area.
I believe, but am not certain, that there is no legal basis at this time to force Facebook to run such ads but their actions indicate that perhaps there should be. If for no other reason than to avoid the Streisand effect they should not have banned the ads. It’s a bad public image at a time when should be cultivating public goodwill. But perhaps they’ve calculated that this isn’t necessary.
Re: Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for Facebook breakup
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because Facebook has a monopoly.
What’s their monopoly on? Serious question. Too many people like using fb so we break them up? lolwut. Is fb actively stifling competition? Is there a market failure?
> What’s their monopoly on? Serious question. Too many people like using fb so we break them up? lolwut.
Yes, basically. Or at least, they have a partial monopoly on social media.
> Is fb actively stifling competition?
They've been buying competitors. That's classic monopolistic behavior to stifle competition.
> Is there a market failure?
Pretty damn close. Even Google couldn't moose its way in.
Re: Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for Facebook breakup
#54This was done algorthmically. No doubt about it.
Does it matter?
Re: Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for Facebook breakup
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your argument is that you’re 100% correct and “you don’t believe” others could have a different opinion. No offense but why are you on this forum? Do you seriously expect others to conform to your opinions?
The arguments why Facebook is a monopoly are well-known. Feel free to disagree with them, but Im not going to waste my time explaining things to you that surely you already know.
One example of trolling is when someone posts into a thread a 'truth' while calling others liars, then not providing any evidence of that 'truth' when asked.
So either you are trolling, or you'll be so kind as to actually post the arguments for why Facebook is a monopoly so we can ensure we're discussing under a shared context.
Re: Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for Facebook breakup
#56Thats overreach on her part too, however. do her voters realize what this means about her relationship with the press after she gets elected? or maybe she is rehashing trump's entire tirades about corrupt media etc.
I’d imagine her relationship with the press would be positive. FB is actively at odds with mainstream media.
Re: Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for Facebook breakup
#57Serious question(s), not trolling. Why shouldn't Facebook take down the ad that's calling for a break up of their Company? How is this any different from a person walking into a store and asking to place an ad inside the store calling for breakup or shutting down of said store? What store owner would ever allow such a thing? Why would (or should) any business allow any sort of propaganda that strikes at the heart of…
Well, the Warren Campaign was playing them, and they fell right into it. Because, by taking down her ads, they supported her point that they have too much power to control debate. That is, that they've become a monopoly. So they either need to be very careful not to abuse their monopoly, or be highly regulated, or be broken up. Edit: Stole from ktjfi. [and spelling]
Pretty genius strategy, she’ll also gain support from traditional media companies which have been battling Facebook lately.
Re: Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for Facebook breakup
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
The terms of service suggest that any ad that discusses Facebook is ripe for removal. Her point stands and is expanded by the selective enforcement of their ToS; is this the platform for public discourse that we want for ourselves and do we want any such platform to be this powerful?
To be fair, I have in the past had ads automatically 'removed' in approval process which use the logo that have nothing to do with FB, just happen to use the logo. Same with 'March Madness.' They have automated approvals which catch use of the logo.
That is a fair point. I assume that they have different rules for the likes of Warren than they have for you. It is feasible, though, that this was caught in an algorithm and Facebook declined to volunteer that fact.
Re: Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for Facebook breakup
#59Serious question(s), not trolling. Why shouldn't Facebook take down the ad that's calling for a break up of their Company? How is this any different from a person walking into a store and asking to place an ad inside the store calling for breakup or shutting down of said store? What store owner would ever allow such a thing? Why would (or should) any business allow any sort of propaganda that strikes at the heart of…
I think Facebook has every right to take down the ad calling for breakup of Facebook.
This would suggest Facebook supports censorship
Re: Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for Facebook breakup
#60From what I can tell, Facebook did not take down all the ads Warren posted calling for the breakup of Facebook, there were specific ads which got flagged for use of the Facebook logo.
So it seems to me that Warren’s team when fishing for ads about breaking up Facebook which would flag in the automated system, and then ran to report about it.
It smells like a setup.