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Re: Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for Facebook breakup

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Serious question(s), not trolling. Why shouldn't Facebook take down the ad that's calling for a break up of their Company? How is this any different from a person walking into a store and asking to place an ad inside the store calling for breakup or shutting down of said store? What store owner would ever allow such a thing? Why would (or should) any business allow any sort of propaganda that strikes at the heart of…

> How is this any different from a person walking into a store and asking to place an ad inside the store calling for breakup or shutting down of said store? What store owner would ever allow such a thing?

I think this is a valid point, but it depends on the community the store is in and what it's selling.

What if it's in a town that just had a school shooting and is selling fully automatic rifles? The store owner doesn't have to allow it, you're right, but I can understand why the store would come under fire (see what I did there?)

But my point is you need to ask your self an important question: should the gun shop owner's right to run a store and earn a living outweigh the demands (a safer community, perhaps?) of the people living in that community, especially if it's a large majority of that community? The answer for me is very clear.

Facebook haven't been going around shooting people, but they have clearly shown themselves to be a very nasty piece of work and I'm personally unsure what value they add to society as a closed, proprietary monolith.

Now think about what Facebook has been doing wrong, and what more wrongs could be planned behind its closed doors, and ask your self the above question: is this for the betterment of society or only the small group of hyper-rich stakeholders?

No, Facebook should not be forced to keep the adverts up. It's their network after all, but the adverts should prompt them to ask themselves the same above question about their own actions and existence, and work with society, not against it, to resolve the problems being presented.

These adverts should open a dialogue, not simply be silenced.

(And on a side note: it's actually quite unsettling to see only a few big ad networks in existence and they can control who gets to advertise what... not good.)

Re: Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for Facebook breakup

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So is that really going to change if Facebook is broken up? More importantly, is it going to make for a better web, or is it just going to wind up strengthening the online tracking and advertising industries in the long run? My own proposal would be to ban tracking and unsolicited advertising altogether -- no matter who does it.

So is that really going to change if Facebook is broken up? Yes. When was the last time you had a call dropped because you were saying unflattering things about your carrier?

When was the last time your carrier played an ad down the line while you were trying to have a conversation?

Re: Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for Facebook breakup

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Serious question(s), not trolling. Why shouldn't Facebook take down the ad that's calling for a break up of their Company? How is this any different from a person walking into a store and asking to place an ad inside the store calling for breakup or shutting down of said store? What store owner would ever allow such a thing? Why would (or should) any business allow any sort of propaganda that strikes at the heart of…

Because Facebook has a monopoly.

On what exactly?

Re: Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for Facebook breakup

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Serious question(s), not trolling. Why shouldn't Facebook take down the ad that's calling for a break up of their Company? How is this any different from a person walking into a store and asking to place an ad inside the store calling for breakup or shutting down of said store? What store owner would ever allow such a thing? Why would (or should) any business allow any sort of propaganda that strikes at the heart of…

The answer to questions 1, 3, and 4 is 'because free speech' (not to be confused with the 1st amendment).

Once a business is large enough to substantially affect which messages can get attention, if they restrict certain messages, they're restricting speech - speech is no good if you can't get anyone to hear you. Facebook isn't big enough to entirely stifle a message, but they can substantially reduce its reach. That's the problem with corporate control of ads and communication - they act as a filter on which ideas they'll let through.

That answers question 2 - if it's a small store, the person can place the ad in plenty of other places, and it'll still get enough attention. But if the store happens to own 80% of all ad space in the town...

Edit: I should clarify - this is all about ethical should/should not, and (as remarked by the child comment) not meant to imply there currently exists a legal basis to force Facebook to run the ads. It's important not to confuse what the law is, with that we'd like it to be.

Re: Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for Facebook breakup

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Clever strategy by Elizabeth Warren. The ads might be effective in promoting her platform by themselves. And if the media report on the apparent irony, or FB takes them down, that gives her more publicity. FB's actions may cause a Streisland-like effect as well.

It's not clever when you consider most people aren't supportive of it. There's definitely a classist kind of fury right now, aimed a little bit at 'big corps' and 'the rich' - but I seriously doubt it extends to such moves.

Most people that use Facebook probably like it, pretty much, and don't suffer any visible consequences of their ostensible loss of privacy.

Similar for Google.

I think a smarter approach would be some regulation that hit home, particularly on privacy etc..

Re: Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for Facebook breakup

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Serious question(s), not trolling. Why shouldn't Facebook take down the ad that's calling for a break up of their Company? How is this any different from a person walking into a store and asking to place an ad inside the store calling for breakup or shutting down of said store? What store owner would ever allow such a thing? Why would (or should) any business allow any sort of propaganda that strikes at the heart of…

Because Facebook has a monopoly.

What’s their monopoly on? Serious question. Too many people like using fb so we break them up? lolwut.

Is fb actively stifling competition? Is there a market failure?

Re: Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for Facebook breakup

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Facebook has a monopoly.

What’s their monopoly on? Serious question. Too many people like using fb so we break them up? lolwut. Is fb actively stifling competition? Is there a market failure?

> Serious question.

I dont believe you. You know exactly what is Facebooks monopoly.

Re: Facebook backtracks after removing Warren ads calling for Facebook breakup

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Serious question(s), not trolling. Why shouldn't Facebook take down the ad that's calling for a break up of their Company? How is this any different from a person walking into a store and asking to place an ad inside the store calling for breakup or shutting down of said store? What store owner would ever allow such a thing? Why would (or should) any business allow any sort of propaganda that strikes at the heart of…

Because Facebook has a monopoly.

I'm trying to figure out what I can get at Facebook that I can't get anywhere else.
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