Weren't everybody supposed to start moving to Oakland?
What's your point? People are moving to Oakland, and it's a lot easier to commute from Oakland to SF than from Oakland to Palo Alto or Menlo.
Andreessen Horowitz is opening an office in SF
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#22In the article about Sam Altman stepping down, it mentioned that YC was moving to the city as well. I guess the center of the universe is less and less actually SV.
I think the center of SV is becoming SF actually.
Perfectly said.
In the 80s and 90s, the "center" of SV was Mountain View and surrounding cities, with the VCs mostly in Menlo/Palo Also.
In the last 10 years, as companies have decided to increasingly be based out of SF, the radius of SV is expanding, and a lot of that expansion is to the north + east: Richmond, Concord, Walnut Creek, San Rafael, Mill Valley - making SF the center of the action.
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#23I am hearing that startups are moving out of SF because it is too expensive. Can anybody explain the strategy here? I realise that funding is mostly centralised in SF, but this still feels weird to me.
The more expensive, the better it works as a signaling mechanism.
I work for a start-up with offices in Sunnyvale, California. Our staff is mature people who have done this before and want the best place to establish an office and work.
None of us would dream of living or working in San Francisco. We all live and work in and around Sunnyvale, Mountain View, Santa Clara, etc.
For a mostly-hype startup staffed by kids fresh from Stanford, Harvard, and MIT, I suppose the flashier the offices the better and that may mean the "excitement" of San Francisco. We're in a concrete tilt-up close to everything we need.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the center of SV is becoming SF actually.
Perfectly said. In the 80s and 90s, the "center" of SV was Mountain View and surrounding cities, with the VCs mostly in Menlo/Palo Also. In the last 10 years, as companies have decided to increasingly be based out of SF, the radius of SV is expanding, and a lot of that expansion is to the north + east: Richmond, Concord, Walnut Creek, San Rafael, Mill Valley - making SF the center of the action.
> the radius of "the bay area"/SV is expanding
The radius of the Bay Area hasn't changed, “Silicon Valley” has just moved to align more with the Bay Area rather than being an overlapping region to the South. All the places you point to as “new expansion” for “the Bay Area” have always been part of the SF Bay Area which SF has always been part of.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perfectly said. In the 80s and 90s, the "center" of SV was Mountain View and surrounding cities, with the VCs mostly in Menlo/Palo Also. In the last 10 years, as companies have decided to increasingly be based out of SF, the radius of SV is expanding, and a lot of that expansion is to the north + east: Richmond, Concord, Walnut Creek, San Rafael, Mill Valley - making SF the center of the action.
> the radius of "the bay area"/SV is expanding The radius of the Bay Area hasn't changed, “Silicon Valley” has just moved to align more with the Bay Area rather than being an overlapping region to the South. All the places you point to as “new expansion” for “the Bay Area” have always been part of the SF Bay Area which SF has always been part of.
Fair point - updated my original comment to remove the expansion of the "bay area."
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#26Almost every big tech IPO of 2019 (Uber, Lyft, Pinterest, Slack, Postmates, Airbnb, Instacart) is headquartered in SF. It's undeniable that the center of silicon valley is slowly shifting north.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the radius of "the bay area"/SV is expanding The radius of the Bay Area hasn't changed, “Silicon Valley” has just moved to align more with the Bay Area rather than being an overlapping region to the South. All the places you point to as “new expansion” for “the Bay Area” have always been part of the SF Bay Area which SF has always been part of.
Fair point - updated my original comment to remove the expansion of the "bay area."
Also, the South Bay is becoming/has become enterprise-land. As Silicon Valley startups increasingly aim towards the consumer market, it makes sense that they would locate themselves in the biggest media/consumer/tourist hub.
(Even the biggest enterprise companies can be SF-based, though – SalesForce, for example...)
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
The more expensive, the better it works as a signaling mechanism.
I work for a start-up with offices in Sunnyvale, California. Our staff is mature people who have done this before and want the best place to establish an office and work. None of us would dream of living or working in San Francisco. We all live and work in and around Sunnyvale, Mountain View, Santa Clara, etc. For a mostly-hype startup staffed by kids fresh from Stanford, Harvard, and MIT, I suppose the flashier the…
I think they were talking about the whole bay area. If they were talking about moving out of SF to another part of the Bay Area, SF is way more central than Silicon Valley.
Edit: I realize you would be near their old offices. Still, if they're looking to find the most entrepreneurs that they can who aren't motivated by hype, the more central from a transportation perspective, the better. And there is no place in the bay area that you can expect people from all parts of the bay area to come to other than SF.