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Re: Sway 1.0

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Post by craigsmansion »

oblio wrote: post #89
ilovecaching wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't accept that it isn't immediately obvious that tiling is more efficient than dragging to maximize real estate on a single workspace. If someone wants to use an inferior method because that's what they are comfortable with that is fine. Just don't assert that the two are equal without some reasoned argument.

I wasn't actually the original poster :) The thing is, we have studies that prove that mouse + keyboard interaction is faster than keyboard-only https://www.asktog.com/TOI/toi06KeyboardVMouse1.html - until you become super proficient with all the relevant the keyboard shortcuts. So it's not about "inferior"/"superior", it's about your use case.

> The thing is, we have studies that prove

"Originally published in the AppleDirect, August, 1989"

Re: Sway 1.0

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Post by nambit »

ddevault wrote: post #58
jadbox wrote: post #35

Is there an update to the nvidia (proprietary drivers) situation with sway/wayland?

The nvidia drivers still do not support the standard Linux features necessary for sway to work. I recommend using nouveau instead, and buying a graphics card from a vendor which supports open source next time. That's how it is, and I'd like to ask everyone to refrain from drawing this particular flamewar out any further.

You're conflating two things. Is it that they don't support the features or is it that they're proprietary?

Re: Sway 1.0

#193

Post by nambit »

tarruda wrote: post #2

For a long time Xorg/i3 user, are there visible improvements when switching to Wayland/sway?

If you're using Nvidia graphics cards, they do not support proprietary nvidia drivers btw.

Re: Sway 1.0

#194

Post by grumpyprole »

foldr wrote: post #136
grumpyprole wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They failed because normal people didn't like them. Do you have proof of this? I suspect they failed because everyone decided to copy the Mac which was trying to emulate a real desktop with bits of paper on it. > Super limited "tiling" window managers do make sense with such limited UIs. They also often make sense for complicated UIs, e.g. IDEs such as Visual Studio and browsers such as Firefox, which have docked s…

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiling_window_manager#Microsof... : > The first version (Windows 1.0) featured a tiling window manager, partly because of litigation by Apple claiming ownership of the overlapping window desktop metaphor. But due to complaints, the next version (Windows 2.0) followed the desktop metaphor. All later versions of the operating system stuck to this approach as the default behaviour.

The litigation from Apple came after Microsoft copied the Mac with overlapping windows (as shown elsewhere in Wikipedia), so this article does not appear correct. Windows 1.0 had tiling windows because IIRC, its lead developer, a former Xerox Parc employee, insisted on a tiling window metaphor. Many other multitasking systems of the period were also based on tiling windows. Overlapping windows certainly became the fashion, thanks to Apple, but you haven't proved they failed because users didn't like them.

Re: Sway 1.0

#195

Post by detaro »

nambit wrote: post #192
ddevault wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The nvidia drivers still do not support the standard Linux features necessary for sway to work. I recommend using nouveau instead, and buying a graphics card from a vendor which supports open source next time. That's how it is, and I'd like to ask everyone to refrain from drawing this particular flamewar out any further.

You're conflating two things. Is it that they don't support the features or is it that they're proprietary?

Parent didn't say "open source the drivers", but "support open source" - by making drivers that work with the standard linux mechanisms.

Re: Sway 1.0

#196

Post by girzel »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #98
raehik wrote: post #86

Awesome! Fantastic news. If there's any chance sircmpwn is lurking here, quick question: has there been any further development on IME support? I use Mozc+IBus. Last time I tried on sway it almost worked, but the prediction box didn't show. That was the only gripe I had with sway. It solved all my tiny issues with i3 and made config much nicer too. Certainly making the switch if IME is better (or if I can easily help…

はい、Swayでibus+anthyはできます。Mozcはできないと思いました、でも今から変わったが可能性です。Swayを楽しんで！

How about fcitx?

Re: Sway 1.0

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Post by willtim »

oblio wrote: post #129
grumpyprole wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They failed because normal people didn't like them. Do you have proof of this? I suspect they failed because everyone decided to copy the Mac which was trying to emulate a real desktop with bits of paper on it. > Super limited "tiling" window managers do make sense with such limited UIs. They also often make sense for complicated UIs, e.g. IDEs such as Visual Studio and browsers such as Firefox, which have docked s…

Tabs are a completely different metaphor to tiles.

They are an example of managing content without overlapping windows. i3, Sway and Xmonad all have good support for them.

Re: Sway 1.0

#198

Post by pimeys »

kakarot wrote: post #57
mises wrote: post #39

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Based on Wayland, meaning it's more modern. Here's what I've heard for benefits: * Better multi-window and gesture support * Gaps built in (currently, i3 is separate from i3-gaps, which is what most actually use). No separate forks to deal with, meaning easier maintenance. * Wallpaper * Faster However, there are some big downsides. Wayland is still pretty beta, and not everything works well with it. This is not the f…

As mentioned in the OP, we now have wl-clipboard. :) Furthermore, it's proprietary NVIDIA drivers Wayland isn't supporting, not NVIDIA itself. AFAIK nouveau works just fine. There are many great reasons for not supporting the proprietary NVIDIA drivers.

Sway was the reason I chose a Radeon card to my office workstation. Been running Sway from Github since beginning of this year and it is very stable, fast and great experience, supporting my old i3 configuration as-is.

Now I know my next home gaming computer will also have a Radeon card.

P.S. Put a monthly donation for Sway. Really appreciate the work!

Re: Sway 1.0

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Post by Nullabillity »

mises wrote: post #75
sandov wrote: post #62

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I've always wondered what's the use of gaps.

Twofold: for many, it just looks nice. But for me, having a little margin in between things helps me visually distinguish and makes it easier to look quickly at different windows. This is actually helped with a wallpaper, because it further accentuates the borders of windows. I guess a magenta outline on every window would technically serve the same purpose (the sort of thing you might see on a high-contrast UI), but…

I use a subtle (~20%) transparency on inactive windows for that (though with XMonad, not Sway). It helps distinguish windows, lets me see which window is active without having to look for the border, and wastes less space compared to either borders or gaps.
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