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Re: Sway 1.0

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Post by sevensor »

jcadam wrote: post #46

Hmm... tempted to try a tiling window manager again (tried i3 a few years ago, but couldn't really see the utility at the time), since I just got a big 32" 4K monitor for my dev machine. I've caught myself starting to manually arrange all my windows into "tiles" anyway, now that I've finally got the screen real estate to do it :)

I also run a big monitor (39" 4k TV), and tiling is great. I can fit 3-6 terminal windows / text editor windows side-by-side, depending on the fonts used. Sometimes I put windows with larger fonts at the periphery, and a couple of small-font windows in the middle, so that I can easily look to the side for reference while focusing on a column of smaller text in the middle. This works beautifully with Kakoune, where I have multiple windows attached to the same editor session. I can paste from my large-font reference windows into my small-font working windows without having to figure out where my mouse pointer is.

Re: Sway 1.0

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Post by ilovecaching »

oblio wrote: post #67
ilovecaching wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But there's nothing different between your workflow and my workflow except you have to manually resize your windows on each workspace. Sway just does it for me and I can save the layouts.

> But there's nothing different between your workflow and my workflow except for the fact that our workflows are completely different. Is it so hard to accept that there are different ways of using a computer and your perceived increase in efficiency might not pan out for everyone? :)

I don't accept that it isn't immediately obvious that tiling is more efficient than dragging to maximize real estate on a single workspace. If someone wants to use an inferior method because that's what they are comfortable with that is fine. Just don't assert that the two are equal without some reasoned argument.

Re: Sway 1.0

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Post by sevensor »

jniedrauer wrote: post #47

I've been using sway since the 0.15 days. I switched to the 1.0 branch about 6 months ago, and watching the rate of improvement has been amazing. I haven't used an xorg system in over a year now. I'm very excited about this release.

Totally agreed. I was blown away by the improvement in quality brought by the 1.0 beta, and I'm looking forward to using the release!

Re: Sway 1.0

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Post by [deleted] »

Tharkun wrote: post #21

This might finally get me to migrate away from awesome-wm, which I've been using for basically as long as it's existed. As far as I can tell, awesome-wm has been dead for a while, with only one release over the last two years or so.

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Re: Sway 1.0

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Post by mises »

mattbreeden wrote: post #73
mises wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based on Wayland, meaning it's more modern. Here's what I've heard for benefits: * Better multi-window and gesture support * Gaps built in (currently, i3 is separate from i3-gaps, which is what most actually use). No separate forks to deal with, meaning easier maintenance. * Wallpaper * Faster However, there are some big downsides. Wayland is still pretty beta, and not everything works well with it. This is not the f…

Not having to download i3-gaps or feh in exchange for copy/paste and hdpi scaling not working seems like a questionable tradeoff. I'm not sure what 'better multi-window' support means? I've never had issues with i3 windows. Speed has also been non-noticeable. So it seems like the feature list is 'better gesture support' in exchange for a lot of downsides? I am not trying to be dismissive, but I see so many people eva…

Again, this is what I've heard; never used it myself (mostly because of the issues you mentioned; I'm unwilling to give up copy-paste and hidpi). With that said, X11 is quite arcane. I3 is still good, or at least for me. Not going to try to proselytize here. I mostly switched because I had to use a completely ancient computer for a while, and I needed to use a tiling wm to get decent responsiveness.

Re: Sway 1.0

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Post by raehik »

Awesome! Fantastic news. If there's any chance sircmpwn is lurking here, quick question: has there been any further development on IME support? I use Mozc+IBus. Last time I tried on sway it almost worked, but the prediction box didn't show.

That was the only gripe I had with sway. It solved all my tiny issues with i3 and made config much nicer too. Certainly making the switch if IME is better (or if I can easily help out).

Real big thanks to the wlroots/sway community.

Re: Sway 1.0

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Post by mikenew »

Memosyne wrote: post #29

What's the status of blurry XWayland applications on HiDPI screens? I tried to replace i3 with sway a couple months ago and couldn't get VSCode to look decent with scaling.

Current status: still sucks, unfortunately. From what I've seen the developers have more-or-less decided that it would be a lot of effort to get scaling and input to work correctly for X applications with HiDPI, and they'd rather work on new things, not supporting old things. Which I certainly understand, but it kills the experience for most applications that I tend to use. So I can't really switch until that changes or more applications support wayland natively.

Re: Sway 1.0

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Post by laumars »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #80
laumars wrote: post #78

How well does Sway work with multiple screens? And hot plugging / unplugging those screens? I have a laptop hooked up to 2 additional monitors. When going to meetings I'm often disconnecting the screens then reconnecting them when I'm back at my desk.

It should work great. If your laptop has a limited number of CRTCs you may want to use this to deal with enabling/disabling the outputs you want to use as necessary: https://github.com/emersion/kanshi

Thank you. I do have multiple different configurations (3 screens at home too but arranged differently) so that will come in handy

Re: Sway 1.0

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Post by oblio »

ilovecaching wrote: post #82
oblio wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But there's nothing different between your workflow and my workflow except for the fact that our workflows are completely different. Is it so hard to accept that there are different ways of using a computer and your perceived increase in efficiency might not pan out for everyone? :)

I don't accept that it isn't immediately obvious that tiling is more efficient than dragging to maximize real estate on a single workspace. If someone wants to use an inferior method because that's what they are comfortable with that is fine. Just don't assert that the two are equal without some reasoned argument.

I wasn't actually the original poster :)

The thing is, we have studies that prove that mouse + keyboard interaction is faster than keyboard-only https://www.asktog.com/TOI/toi06KeyboardVMouse1.html - until you become super proficient with all the relevant the keyboard shortcuts.

So it's not about "inferior"/"superior", it's about your use case.

Re: Sway 1.0

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

sleepinseattle wrote: post #28
ilovecaching wrote: post #13

This is huge news. Sway is absolutely incredible, it puts macOS, built by Apple's army of engineers and dump trucks of money to shame in its simplicity, stability, and efficiency. If you want the best of the best DE, look no further. If you're on the fence about trying a tiling windows manager, I say, give it a shot for a single week and you'll never look back. Invest a few hours in a sway config file that will serve…

> Sway is absolutely incredible, it puts macOS, built by Apple's army of engineers and dump trucks of money to shame in its simplicity, stability, and efficiency. They have different design goals. A tiling window manager is not a good default for everyone or every device type or screen size.

> A tiling window manager is not a good default for everyone or every device type or screen size.

I disagree on the point of screen size. On small screens I want every last pixel to count, and tiling and tabs work well for that. On large screens, I find tiling to be a more efficient option than dragging windows around.

That said, available input devices absolutely do make a difference, and that does correlate with screen size.

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