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Re: Sway 1.0

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Post by totony »

kstenerud wrote: post #24
ilovecaching wrote: post #13

This is huge news. Sway is absolutely incredible, it puts macOS, built by Apple's army of engineers and dump trucks of money to shame in its simplicity, stability, and efficiency. If you want the best of the best DE, look no further. If you're on the fence about trying a tiling windows manager, I say, give it a shot for a single week and you'll never look back. Invest a few hours in a sway config file that will serve…

I really don't get the benefit of a tiling window manager. I tried one and instantly felt boxed in. There's not enough room on the screen for everything I need to have opened and flip between, which is why I use an overlapping window manager in the first place.

a cool feature youll probably like is in tilling vms you can use stacked/tabbed views to get those benefits

Re: Sway 1.0

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Post by ilovecaching »

kstenerud wrote: post #24
ilovecaching wrote: post #13

This is huge news. Sway is absolutely incredible, it puts macOS, built by Apple's army of engineers and dump trucks of money to shame in its simplicity, stability, and efficiency. If you want the best of the best DE, look no further. If you're on the fence about trying a tiling windows manager, I say, give it a shot for a single week and you'll never look back. Invest a few hours in a sway config file that will serve…

I really don't get the benefit of a tiling window manager. I tried one and instantly felt boxed in. There's not enough room on the screen for everything I need to have opened and flip between, which is why I use an overlapping window manager in the first place.

I mostly switch between a full screen terminal and a full screen browser. The benefit of tiling is that when the browser opens a popup, or I need to look at my terminal next to my browser it's super simple. You just shift the browser to the workspace with the terminal with a keypress. Then when you are done you shift it back.

Tiling is simply more efficient it drives you into a keyboard based workflow that makes the most efficient use of your screen real estate. You can still have floating windows in Sway, or tabs for that matter as well when you need them.

Re: Sway 1.0

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Post by xf86alsa »

kstenerud wrote: post #24
ilovecaching wrote: post #13

This is huge news. Sway is absolutely incredible, it puts macOS, built by Apple's army of engineers and dump trucks of money to shame in its simplicity, stability, and efficiency. If you want the best of the best DE, look no further. If you're on the fence about trying a tiling windows manager, I say, give it a shot for a single week and you'll never look back. Invest a few hours in a sway config file that will serve…

I really don't get the benefit of a tiling window manager. I tried one and instantly felt boxed in. There's not enough room on the screen for everything I need to have opened and flip between, which is why I use an overlapping window manager in the first place.

Ideally you'd be using multiple workspaces, and only have 1-4 windows on a single given one.

I like to organize my workspaces by a category of activity. I'll have one per project I'm currently working on, then one for communications (Email, Chat, etc) one for web-browsing, etc.

I try to keep the non-project ones consistent, so at any point I can, say, tap Meta-9 and instantly be brought a web browser on Workspace 9.

Re: Sway 1.0

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Post by colordrops »

Memosyne wrote: post #29

What's the status of blurry XWayland applications on HiDPI screens? I tried to replace i3 with sway a couple months ago and couldn't get VSCode to look decent with scaling.

This is what has held me back as well, so I'm very curious if this is better. I thought HiDPI screens would be prevalent enough by now to be a strong forcing function to get everything upgraded sooner.

Re: Sway 1.0

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Post by kstenerud »

NullPrefix wrote: post #27
kstenerud wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't get the benefit of a tiling window manager. I tried one and instantly felt boxed in. There's not enough room on the screen for everything I need to have opened and flip between, which is why I use an overlapping window manager in the first place.

You know that there's multiple virtual desktops, right?

... which doesn't solve the underlying problem. I don't want to switch to a different desktop, such that my text editor window disappears and my terminal appears. I want them both on the same screen, along with my browser which points to a SO answer, in big sizes. In a normal window manager, this is accomplished by making them all big and then either overlapping them in ways that makes it easy to click on them, or just alt-tab. In a tiling window manager, this doesn't seem possible as far as I've been able to tell.

Re: Sway 1.0

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Post by willtim »

sleepinseattle wrote: post #28
ilovecaching wrote: post #13

This is huge news. Sway is absolutely incredible, it puts macOS, built by Apple's army of engineers and dump trucks of money to shame in its simplicity, stability, and efficiency. If you want the best of the best DE, look no further. If you're on the fence about trying a tiling windows manager, I say, give it a shot for a single week and you'll never look back. Invest a few hours in a sway config file that will serve…

> Sway is absolutely incredible, it puts macOS, built by Apple's army of engineers and dump trucks of money to shame in its simplicity, stability, and efficiency. They have different design goals. A tiling window manager is not a good default for everyone or every device type or screen size.

I could equally state that overlapping windows are not a good default for everyone or every device type. It's also worth pointing out that Apples newest UI, iOS, uses a tiling window manager.

Re: Sway 1.0

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Post by ilovecaching »

chrisseaton wrote: post #20
ilovecaching wrote: post #13

This is huge news. Sway is absolutely incredible, it puts macOS, built by Apple's army of engineers and dump trucks of money to shame in its simplicity, stability, and efficiency. If you want the best of the best DE, look no further. If you're on the fence about trying a tiling windows manager, I say, give it a shot for a single week and you'll never look back. Invest a few hours in a sway config file that will serve…

> it puts macOS, built by Apple's army of engineers and dump trucks of money to shame I don't really think they're designed for the same purpose or audience, so I don't think it shames the Apple engineers.

You're missing the point. Sway is a team of people working on their own time out in the open to create something they really care about for almost no money. The final product is staggeringly good compared to a commercial OS like macOS, and yes, tiling WM requires more up front investment and isn't a normal pattern for most folks, but that shouldn't make people feel like Sway or tiling is beyond them.

Re: Sway 1.0

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Post by mises »

ubercow13 wrote: post #16
ilovecaching wrote: post #13

This is huge news. Sway is absolutely incredible, it puts macOS, built by Apple's army of engineers and dump trucks of money to shame in its simplicity, stability, and efficiency. If you want the best of the best DE, look no further. If you're on the fence about trying a tiling windows manager, I say, give it a shot for a single week and you'll never look back. Invest a few hours in a sway config file that will serve…

Why should you (upgrade from i3/X)? What's the benefit?

Based on Wayland, meaning it's more modern. Here's what I've heard for benefits:

* Better multi-window and gesture support

* Gaps built in (currently, i3 is separate from i3-gaps, which is what most actually use). No separate forks to deal with, meaning easier maintenance.

* Wallpaper

* Faster

However, there are some big downsides. Wayland is still pretty beta, and not everything works well with it. This is not the fault of Wayland/sway per se, more the fact that everything is based around X11. Biggest thing for me is no copy/paste. Hidpi scaling is supposed to be a nightmare. Also, sway doesn't support Nvidia, and the author has publicly stated he refuses to support any Nvidia drivers (or at least until they're open-source).

Re: Sway 1.0

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Post by kstenerud »

colordrops wrote: post #30
kstenerud wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't get the benefit of a tiling window manager. I tried one and instantly felt boxed in. There's not enough room on the screen for everything I need to have opened and flip between, which is why I use an overlapping window manager in the first place.

I get the opposite feeling. I feel like I'm in a trash dump when I use an overlapping window manager, and have to sort through the pile to find what I need. Tiling window managers perhaps make more sense for devs or other professionals who use several of the same applications every day and know what window and pane they will be on, and can switch quickly with keystrokes. That being said, once you internalize the mode…

What I usually want to do is just click and resize to something that "feels right" for each of my programs, and then flip between them as needed, then resize again later as I workflow progresses. Often I want some important text from one to be visible while I'm working in another (thus overlapping), so I jockey them around until it feels right, and go.
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