Winding down my Debian involvement

Post by throwaway30012 » Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 11:37 AM UTC

perlgeek wrote: post #116

jcoffland wrote: post #66

I've been using Debian for over 10 years and I still love it as a user. But as a developer, I find it extremely frustrating. I've several times attempted to figure out how to package my open-source projects [1] [2] for Debian but the process is a nightmare. As I understand it, I first have to find someone with appropriate privileges to mentor me. I should be able to just submit a potential package for review. Then th…

> Then there is a ton of documentation on creating packages but which 300 page guide is the right one to use is unclear. And which set of packaging tools should I use? I've run into the same problems, though I've only wanted to build packages for my own use, or company-internal use. I think I've understood now how packaging is supposed to work, and have written a guide, shameless plug: http://leanpub.com/debian/c/hn…

Post by amdavidson » Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 11:39 AM UTC

chacha2 wrote: post #33

gjasny wrote: post #11

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Post by Riverheart » Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 12:06 PM UTC

billsix wrote: post #69

jcoffland wrote: post #66

I've been using Debian for over 10 years and I still love it as a user. But as a developer, I find it extremely frustrating. I've several times attempted to figure out how to package my open-source projects [1] [2] for Debian but the process is a nightmare. As I understand it, I first have to find someone with appropriate privileges to mentor me. I should be able to just submit a potential package for review. Then th…

Agreed, I've tried and failed to make Debian packages, and have no idea how to proceed. In contrast, with Gentoo and their documentation, it was straightforward for me to make my own additional, separate repo, look at other ebuilds to see how packaging works, and have everything just work. https://github.com/billsix/billsix-portage I submit ebuilds to Gentoo itself if I think others would benefit. As far as I can tel…

Post by debiandev » Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 12:54 PM UTC

genghizkhan wrote: post #171

h1d wrote: post #139

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I'm not following the situation but what's stopping them from improving their packaging system, except for being complicated?

If the systemd discussion has taught me anything about Debian governance, getting everyone to agree is going to be a pain. Far easier to let it be.

Post by k_sze » Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 1:19 PM UTC

stouset wrote: post #86

lazyjones wrote: post #30

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> but random strangers not being allowed to push updates to my operating system in 5.34 seconds doesn’t sound all bad. To me. So that's what the frustrating to maintainers crumbling infrastructure and crappy tooling are for. Now it all makes sense! Actually, I'd very much prefer quickly pushed updates in case of severe security issues. Debian had lots of really ancient packages with problems in "stable" last time I l…

You're misunderstanding the point of Debian. Debian's "stable" release is that. Stable. No updates are issued for packages except for critical security updates, which are backported to the released version. It's essentially an LTS release. This isn't what everyone wants or needs, but if you do, Debian does it very well.