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Re: Thousands of Russians protest against internet restrictions

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I think the answer to the question what's the point is to notice that there's a bit of a rhetorical trick going on. Notice how they say (in passive voice) proposes building a national Domain Name System to allow the internet to continue functioning even if the country is cut off from foreign infrastructure . So you're trying to analyze this as if a foreign country tries to cut Russia off from the internet. The Russia…

The U.S. did cut Russia off during midterms last year didn’t we? It’s not a what if.

We haven't noticed it here in Russia :)

Re: Thousands of Russians protest against internet restrictions

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The proper US response to the 2016 meddling would have been a NATSEC law that said no US based social media company could allow for 5 years any Russian IP address to connect to their services, or they would suffer massive fines. Facebook and Twitter for their role in the attack would be fined $5 Billion Dollars each and forced to provide policies within 1 year to prevent this from happening again, or face the threat of becoming regulated by the US government. All user accounts that belonged to Russian citizens as well as the Russian oligarchs and politicians were to be frozen for 5 years. US and EU Banks would be required to sanction Russians Oligarchs and Putin's interests.

Basically you would have instantly made Russian life a living digital hellscape for 5 years, at which point things could be lifted provided there were signed binding treaties and assurances that the type of attack in 2016 would never happen again. If attacks resumed the next round would last 10 years and be twice as severe.

If we're going to destroy net neutrality and impart government fascism, or have bizzaro government rulings that get throw out in court, this is how we should have done it, and this is the cause we should have done it for.

Re: Thousands of Russians protest against internet restrictions

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the answer to the question what's the point is to notice that there's a bit of a rhetorical trick going on. Notice how they say (in passive voice) proposes building a national Domain Name System to allow the internet to continue functioning even if the country is cut off from foreign infrastructure . So you're trying to analyze this as if a foreign country tries to cut Russia off from the internet. The Russia…

The U.S. did cut Russia off during midterms last year didn’t we? It’s not a what if.

Citation? I am unaware of even a single Russian ISP that has been cut off from a traffic exchange point in Western Europe.

This would make news in the internet infrastructure community if it occurred.

Re: Thousands of Russians protest against internet restrictions

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You highly underestimate power of totalitarian state

There aren't any models from history of what happens to totalitarian states when their population is connected to a much larger external network. This is the first generation of totalitarian leaders that has to figure out how to handle the "connectedness". They will do the obvious thing and try to disconnect. There is nothing to suggest it will result in anything but a loss to the state and to them.

In case of Russia those in power don't care about that loss they need enough people to do resource extraction and to serve in military and that's about it. Their families live in London and Miami and don't have to contend with whatever crap this will result in.

Re: Thousands of Russians protest against internet restrictions

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the answer to the question what's the point is to notice that there's a bit of a rhetorical trick going on. Notice how they say (in passive voice) proposes building a national Domain Name System to allow the internet to continue functioning even if the country is cut off from foreign infrastructure . So you're trying to analyze this as if a foreign country tries to cut Russia off from the internet. The Russia…

"So you're trying to analyze this as if a foreign country tries to cut Russia off from the internet." Well, Russia has been threatened to be cut off from SWIFT. At about the same time several Russian banks has been cut off from VISA and MC and after that Russia has built nation payment processing and forced VISA and MC use it for intra-Russia payments. Being cut off from the internet is more far fetched but given the…

> Russia has been threatened to be cut off from SWIFT

Do you have a link for this claim? All I get when googling "russia cut off from swift" is a bunch of rt/zerohedge/tass stuff (wtf is TruNews?), followed by some clear denials in ft/bloomberg. Is there more to this than just the Russian government saying stuff?

Re: Thousands of Russians protest against internet restrictions

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Ruler needs to give his subjects bread and circuses. The circus part is increasingly happening in the Internet. If I was Putin, I would make sure that you can stream or torrent movies and have good access to game servers, cat videos and mindless entertainment like my life depends on it.

You overestimate tech literacy of the majority of Russian population. Very small percentage is engaged with playing videogames or knows how to use torrents.

People are given lots of distractions though - so many controversial, absolutely absurd laws have been introduced in the past few years everybody talks about (about fighting homosexual propaganda, forbidding adoption for foreigners, blasphemy laws and so on). Internet restrictions are like a drop in the sea of craziness and not even the most relevant one for the majority, or controversial, or loud.

Re: Thousands of Russians protest against internet restrictions

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The U.S. did cut Russia off during midterms last year didn’t we? It’s not a what if.

Citation? I am unaware of even a single Russian ISP that has been cut off from a traffic exchange point in Western Europe. This would make news in the internet infrastructure community if it occurred.

This is what he is referring to:

https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/431614-us-cyber-ope...

Saying the US, "cut Russia off" is a massive overstatement, but something did happen.

Re: Thousands of Russians protest against internet restrictions

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Russian here. I live in Moscow. I've just came back from the rally. Interned at an IT company in Switzerland and US. My Digital Ocean VPS IP address was blocked in Russia due to this crazy thing going on with the Internet here. Even though it was a private service that is not exposed to the global network. AMA.

Re: Thousands of Russians protest against internet restrictions

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Ruler needs to give his subjects bread and circuses. The circus part is increasingly happening in the Internet. If I was Putin, I would make sure that you can stream or torrent movies and have good access to game servers, cat videos and mindless entertainment like my life depends on it.

You overestimate tech literacy of the majority of Russian population. Very small percentage is engaged with playing videogames or knows how to use torrents. People are given lots of distractions though - so many controversial, absolutely absurd laws have been introduced in the past few years everybody talks about (about fighting homosexual propaganda, forbidding adoption for foreigners, blasphemy laws and so on). Int…

The real power in Russia is within two cities, Moscow and St. Petersburg. It's the urban and relatively highly educated population in these two cities that decides the fate of Russia, not the majority.

Re: Thousands of Russians protest against internet restrictions

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"So you're trying to analyze this as if a foreign country tries to cut Russia off from the internet." Well, Russia has been threatened to be cut off from SWIFT. At about the same time several Russian banks has been cut off from VISA and MC and after that Russia has built nation payment processing and forced VISA and MC use it for intra-Russia payments. Being cut off from the internet is more far fetched but given the…

> Russia has been threatened to be cut off from SWIFT Do you have a link for this claim? All I get when googling "russia cut off from swift" is a bunch of rt/zerohedge/tass stuff (wtf is TruNews?), followed by some clear denials in ft/bloomberg. Is there more to this than just the Russian government saying stuff?

I most certainly do.

13. Recalls that the restrictive measures taken by the EU are directly linked to the Russian Federation’s violation of international law with the illegal annexation of Crimea and the destabilisation of Ukraine, while the trade measures taken by the Russian Federation, including those against Ukraine and other Eastern Partnership countries which have recently concluded Association Agreements with the EU, are unjustified; calls for the EU to consider excluding Russia from civil nuclear cooperation and the Swift system;

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//...

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