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GoFundMe CEO: ‘Gigantic Gaps’ in Health System Showing Up in Crowdfunding

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, that in a form current insurance companies exists - i.e. perpaid medical discounts plan, they should be removed. People should be getting insurance from insurable events - i.e. accident, heart attack, etc. Not from routine vaccination, annual checkup, seasonal cold. High-deductible plans are a hack to get people to pay for more of routine stuff and I think it moves into the right direction.

Except even on a high-deductible plan, the provider bills the insurer, they play their games with the price, and eventually you get a bill. There is no up-front price. There is no market pressure. You still don't know what you will need to pay until weeks or months later.

That's why I called it a hack and not proper implementation. While what you described is true - patients are hit with "real costs" instead of $10 co-pays and rising premiums. ideally - yes, most minor stuff would be paid out of pocket - market forces would immediately put things in a right place. And for emergencies - leave that to insurances.

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GoFundMe is comical, every day there is a new idiot asking for money for not buying (or invalidating) their travel insurance . Little Fred is sitting in hospital now with bills over $xx,xxx due to a motorbike accident whilst backpacking in XYZ, please give generously so Little Fred can keep his iPhoneX and his large family don't have to put their hands in their pocket. e.g. https://www.gofundme.com/injured-by-scooter…

You can make your point without doxxing this guy

This is just an example I found. There's a new one everyday usually Thailand, Vietnam or Bali. Do you really think this guys close friends and family couldn't pony up $6000?

It's not doxxing, no copy and paste, I've linked a random public shared GofundMe page of yet another someone begging for money, put in search term accident in gofundme whatever. I could easily choose the next result in the list but I don't see the issue here, examples serve to illustrate the point. I had no knowledge of this guy before opening a new tab to find a recent example.

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I like to write short stories in my free time. One that I’ve been working on over the last year is one where the concept of “crowdfunded healthcare” evolves into a dystopian game show where people go on TV and share their sob story on why they need money. Then the viewers at home get to choose who gets the show’s prize money each season through a bracket style voting system that crowns a champion at the end. I had to…

I saw a couple people link to the student debt stuff, which is way more relevant, but it reminded me of the Latin American community having Gana La Verde[0] since 2004.

A cheap fear factor knock off, where the contestants compete for a green card, in the form representation from an immigration attorney. This usually has the contestants eating a platter of worms in the form of tacos or a taco shell bowl and their final challenge is proving that they can be functioning member in the United States by selling sodas or something of the likes in a public space. There might have been physical challenges, but it was mostly the worms and selling stuff that I recall.

[0] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0421032/

Re: GoFundMe CEO: ‘Gigantic Gaps’ in Health System Showing Up in Crowdfunding

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GoFundMe is comical, every day there is a new idiot asking for money for not buying (or invalidating) their travel insurance . Little Fred is sitting in hospital now with bills over $xx,xxx due to a motorbike accident whilst backpacking in XYZ, please give generously so Little Fred can keep his iPhoneX and his large family don't have to put their hands in their pocket. e.g. https://www.gofundme.com/injured-by-scooter…

This is what bothers me... I once donated to a GoFundMe run by someone I know (not really friends) - their house got heavy water damage in Houston a couple of years ago. Only a couple weeks later to see pictures of them buying a new car from a dealership to their son. I do not know... Perhaps it is because me, who unlikely to ever buy a new car (despite having several Xs of income than that family) or perhaps the fac…

Happens all over the world. I walked into a expat bar a while ago and there was a cash collection for Joe (not his real name incase I get accused of doxxing again lol), he just been diagnosis with some form of cancer (high chance curable) and needed to do chemo. I was like WTF? This guy has top of the range health insurance, a full time job and supportive employer, and sat on a healthy stack of savings and investments. I couldn't believe what I was seeing, it wasn't going to charity or for some gift, just pure cash. Joe is fine now, doesn't drink as much, the money went into his bank - Joe isn't a charitable person - he is actually a consistent cunt (but when someone gets the Big C that all changes and no one has anything but the best to say about them)

Re: GoFundMe CEO: ‘Gigantic Gaps’ in Health System Showing Up in Crowdfunding

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GoFundMe is comical, every day there is a new idiot asking for money for not buying (or invalidating) their travel insurance . Little Fred is sitting in hospital now with bills over $xx,xxx due to a motorbike accident whilst backpacking in XYZ, please give generously so Little Fred can keep his iPhoneX and his large family don't have to put their hands in their pocket. e.g. https://www.gofundme.com/injured-by-scooter…

This is ridiculous and infuriating. I did not realize it was that easy to raise money to pay health bills. Here I was at 18 scraping 3 grand for an emergency room visit, while people are getting an easy pass just by talking about their shitty situation and taking some photos. I understand there are some legit cases where you are kinda screwed insurance or not, but this motorcycle accident abroad crap is a big Nope.

Re: GoFundMe CEO: ‘Gigantic Gaps’ in Health System Showing Up in Crowdfunding

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I like to write short stories in my free time. One that I’ve been working on over the last year is one where the concept of “crowdfunded healthcare” evolves into a dystopian game show where people go on TV and share their sob story on why they need money. Then the viewers at home get to choose who gets the show’s prize money each season through a bracket style voting system that crowns a champion at the end. I had to…

The show Undercover Boss is kind of like that. Every episode some CEO realizes that all of their employees are underpaid, picks one with an especially sad story, and gives them some money to pay for their kid's surgery or college tuition.

There's an interesting book on this topic of individualized philanthropy by the powerful and its effect of masking the deeper systemic problems. It's called "Winners Take All" by Anand Giridharadas.

I'm only about halfway through, but the central thesis appears to be that the powerful, even if they truly want to make a good-faith effort to improve the world, will naturally gravitate towards forms of social change that don't challenge their power. He describes this kind of thinking as "win-win" in that only solutions that don't involve those in power sacrificing the conditions that made them powerful will be considered by the philanthropic class. These "win-win" solutions then displace more direct "win-lose" solutions that actually address the underlying power dynamic.

The arguments put forth ring pretty true to me, and this GoFundMe stuff fits the model perfectly.

Re: GoFundMe CEO: ‘Gigantic Gaps’ in Health System Showing Up in Crowdfunding

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I think this is a reflection of what people want to donate/contribute to as much as anything. I’d be keen to know what percent of listings are health related vs what percent of total money raised is health related.

1 in 3 campaigns are for medical bills, raising $650 million a year.

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>Or the Tennessee couple who want to get pregnant, but whose insurance doesn’t cover the $20,000 worth of “medications, surgeries, scans, lab monitoring, and appointments [that] will need to be paid for upfront and out-of-pocket” for in vitro fertilization. Would an ideal healthcare system cover in vitro for anyone, full stop? Took a buzz through the NHS requirements[0] and there are definitely restrictions. And in v…

The Israeli system covers IVF with almost no restrictions, mostly around no longer funding IVF when it no longer makes medical sense. https://www.health.gov.il/English/Topics/fertility/Pages/ivf...

True. And abortions are also covered, you just need to pass the pregnancy termination committee.

Re: GoFundMe CEO: ‘Gigantic Gaps’ in Health System Showing Up in Crowdfunding

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The show Undercover Boss is kind of like that. Every episode some CEO realizes that all of their employees are underpaid, picks one with an especially sad story, and gives them some money to pay for their kid's surgery or college tuition.

I thought the same thing. And they never seem to come to the realization that maybe a lot of their employees are underpaid. No, it's just the ones with stories that go best with violin music playing in the background. And one of the most delusional CEOs was the Hooters guy. He was talking about how he would be perfectly fine with his daughter working at Hooters. Then the manager where he was undercover was found to b…

The CEO was a the son of the founder, and was very shy and not very competent for sure. The manager deserved to be fired for sure and probably more.

Re: GoFundMe CEO: ‘Gigantic Gaps’ in Health System Showing Up in Crowdfunding

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I like to write short stories in my free time. One that I’ve been working on over the last year is one where the concept of “crowdfunded healthcare” evolves into a dystopian game show where people go on TV and share their sob story on why they need money. Then the viewers at home get to choose who gets the show’s prize money each season through a bracket style voting system that crowns a champion at the end. I had to…

This is very much the premise of the Judge Dredd story 'Sob Story' about such a game show, in which the character Otto Sump first appears - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Sump http://dreddalert.blogspot.com/2013/12/judge-dredd-sob-story...
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