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Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by newen »

ddebernardy wrote: post #71
newen wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are implying Europe is more developed than America? America has per capita GDP comparable to Europe's top countries. If not what's wrong with comparing your country's labor laws to a similar country's labor laws?

Yeah, but that's usually comparing a mean income per capita. Personally I'd be curious to see a comparison of what's left of the median income after factoring in the cost of taxes, education, and health care.

But mean income per capita is what should be compared when talking about social services such as healthcare, etc. If you take a developed country, add a bunch of wealth inequality to it, and then say that you can't compare that country to other developed countries because wealth inequality is part of equalition of being developed, you are just going around in circles.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by grigjd3 »

rayiner wrote: post #49
jelliclesfarm wrote: post #14

Children are expensive. And it’s not about money. It’s about time and energy and effort and incessant tending and bonding. I honestly think people need counseling and planning before they start to think about starting a family. They need back up plans and contingency strategies. It used to be that we lived in small communal groups and non nuclear families. Usually matriarchal wherein the post menopausal grandmother p…

Children are difficult, but not as hard as you make it out to be. Out of my circle of friends, more than half the kids were unplanned (including our first child). It was no big deal—grandparents swooped in to keep things on the rails (something that is true for people of all income levels). For lower income people, a bit of help with childcare during work is all that’s necessary. The “responsible parenting” approach…

You are very fortunate that your parents could help you raise your first kid. That is not something universally available and my first year as a parent was very rough.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by DangitBobby »

ddebernardy wrote: post #71
newen wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are implying Europe is more developed than America? America has per capita GDP comparable to Europe's top countries. If not what's wrong with comparing your country's labor laws to a similar country's labor laws?

Yeah, but that's usually comparing a mean income per capita. Personally I'd be curious to see a comparison of what's left of the median income after factoring in the cost of taxes, education, and health care.

Any comparison should take other effects of work culture into account as well, such as how much time per week we can devote to living once you subtract work and commute times.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by ddingus »

mruts wrote: post #81
crankylinuxuser wrote: post #57

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On the converse... I'm an American whom lives in Indiana. Let me share my experiences. I worked at Starbucks for 5 years. When I got sick, I showed up to work. I know I worked while having the flu, and making drinks for people. If we didn't show up, our hours for next week would be messed up badly and intentionally. We would go from 35 hours to 15 hours, or we'd be scheduled "clopens" - close at midnight, and open at…

Well would you prefer to have a crappy job or no job at all? Don’t labor under the assumption that government mandates don’t affect the decisions of businesses.

We need a few mandates that will affect the decisions.

Someone will step up to make the money and be more human about the whole thing.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by DangitBobby »

kortilla wrote: post #100
crankylinuxuser wrote: post #72

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You'd think. But there's no governmental agency or office to assist with these illegal actions. I'm depending on the charity and hope of profit of a lawyer. One attorney I talked with didn't do cases on contingency. Another refused because it was against Walmart. And that was that. Sure, I was wronged. Not a damned thing I can do about it.

You needed to talk to more lawyers. If the case is like you said, it’s open and shut. Walmart gets successfully sued all of the time when they are at fault for workplace accidents. I personally know of two separate acquaintances’ relatives who were hurt at Walmart, fired, sued with no up front legal fees, and won. One got hit by a parking lot shopping cart train and the other got injured in the mechanic shop.

It's not unreasonable to be discouraged when you reach out to two professionals and neither of them seem to think that it's worth their time.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by ddingus »

alkonaut wrote: post #24
jelliclesfarm wrote: post #14

Children are expensive. And it’s not about money. It’s about time and energy and effort and incessant tending and bonding. I honestly think people need counseling and planning before they start to think about starting a family. They need back up plans and contingency strategies. It used to be that we lived in small communal groups and non nuclear families. Usually matriarchal wherein the post menopausal grandmother p…

Where I come from the thinking is that people both responsible and irresponsible will have children, and being born to irresponsible parents is never the child’s fault. So the responsible thing to do for the state is to ensure the well being of all children by having generous grants, generous parental leave, universal healthcare including dental for children and so on. Basically, if a child’s well being ever depends…

That alignd with me morally. Well stated.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by ddingus »

grigjd3 wrote: post #102
rayiner wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Children are difficult, but not as hard as you make it out to be. Out of my circle of friends, more than half the kids were unplanned (including our first child). It was no big deal—grandparents swooped in to keep things on the rails (something that is true for people of all income levels). For lower income people, a bit of help with childcare during work is all that’s necessary. The “responsible parenting” approach…

You are very fortunate that your parents could help you raise your first kid. That is not something universally available and my first year as a parent was very rough.

Well, I am the parent of 4. Youngest fathered a child with a loser. They are both a mess.

So. Looks like I am gonna raise my grandaughter. On the plus side, she is perfect. Good thing.

Parenting is harder than it was the first time. Need energy! More plz

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by ddingus »

raincom wrote: post #4

This is well known to anyone who has worked in a public school system. My friend used to work as a sub. One day, she found a sick student and sent him home. Later, she was admonished by a teacher there: this kid lives in a garage, where they don't have a heater. At least, this kid can feel better in a warm class room. This happened in Milpitas, CA, last year.

Damn

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by harryh »

zanny wrote: post #95
ses1984 wrote: post #77

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>My point is not that everyone has that support system, but that it doesn't take much I vehemently disagree with this. Not sure how we could continue to discuss if we can't see eye to eye on this basic point. >Telling people they shouldn't have kids--which would end up as telling poor people and minorities that they can't afford kids--isn't a replacement for offering support such as childcare. Who said we should be s…

This mindset is crucial. It doesn't make much to meet the bare minimum legal requirements of parenting. It takes a ton to produce thriving minds capable of excelling in the encroaching post-labor reality. So many people treat parenthood as a checkmark on the mandatory itinerary of life and once they check it off they just "eat the cost" and pay to have the kids taken care of. Both those parents, and the poor parents…

LOL, this is ridiculous. My dad worked crazy hours so I didn't see him a ton when I was a kid. My mom worked too. I went to daycare. I went to school. I watched a ton of TV.

I turned out just fine.

Most of these crazy "investments" that people are putting in their kids has virtually no long term impact.

You should read The Nurture Assumption.

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