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Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by crankylinuxuser »

StreamBright wrote: post #45
DanBC wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How were your children born? Fed? Clothed? Educated? Transported? Protected from crime?

Private healthcare, paid by my salary, private schools, cars, 2nd amendment.

And see? This is the kind of idiotic one-liners we have to deal with in this country about taxes and citizenship.

>>How were your children born?

> Private healthcare

So those that can't get jobs with it don't deserve it. And even those who make little can't really afford it either. Sure the ACA copper plan leaves the policy holder with 30%, but in actuality its insurance they can't actually use.

>>Fed? Clothed?

> paid by my salary

Again, if someone else can't get a job, they and their children shouldn't eat or afford clothing. That sounds like a 3rd world shithole...

>>Educated?

> private schools

Oh. You're one of those types. I'd imagine you've never had a day of adversity in your life. Never been homeless, never hungered. And I'd bet that familial money has ensconced your vision that people just must be lazy.

>>Transported?

> cars

Again, you're one of "Them". Adversity is being annoyed, or having "first world problems". Ever been without a car? Ever been stuck in a city with nobody really to call on for help?

>>Protected from crime?

> 2nd amendment

Oh yes, because the best crime prevention is Somalia-style arm everything and shoot first. Seriously, how much of an idiot do you have to be to think this is anywhere a good policy?

To my counterparts in Europe: this is what we have to deal with in this country. We pay taxes, and some of us want to pay none and go this anarchic "every man for themselves" style governance, complete with private police forces, private firefighters, and little to no government structure. What little "healthcare" we have with ObamaCare / PPACA is hated and derided with the utmost bile. And even the state (Indiana) I live in passed a law 'Banning cities or counties from banning plastic bags, straws or other one-time plastic things' - it even includes banning taxing those products. (0)

(0) https://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2016/03/23/bill...

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by ktjfi »

renholder wrote: post #15
School-Cotton wrote: post #11

The headline here is incredibly misleading. The CDC is not making the factual claim that "low-income parents send sick kids to school due to lack paid sick leave". The actual truth: a paper from the CDC finding an apparently quite weak link between poverty and rate of school absence due to sickness stuck that in as one of many somewhat plausible explanations, in a very speculative discussion section. To emphasize: th…

Upboat for rationalisation. Also, from the European perspective (and specifically speaking of the technology sector, as that's what I have first-hand experience with), taking sick leave to take care of a child at home isn't a thing, whatsoever. You would just send an email to your team saying that you're sorry but you're working from home because your kid is sick and that would be the end of it. No compulsion to take…

Maybe in the rich countries of the EU.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by newen »

jelliclesfarm wrote: post #31
alkonaut wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where I come from the thinking is that people both responsible and irresponsible will have children, and being born to irresponsible parents is never the child’s fault. So the responsible thing to do for the state is to ensure the well being of all children by having generous grants, generous parental leave, universal healthcare including dental for children and so on. Basically, if a child’s well being ever depends…

We seem to have a collective child fetish. (I hear the words of St.George Carlin.)

I think people call it evolutionary imperative these days.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by dahfizz »

beardedwizard wrote: post #58
rootusrootus wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If one of my kids is sick, i just email the office to tell them I'm going to be working from home. Not a big deal. I've never worked anyplace where it would have been a problem.

Low income folks probably aren't working a cushy office job. It's probably manual labor.

Do people in equivalent jobs in Europe also get to "work from home"?

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by crankylinuxuser »

beardedwizard wrote: post #58
rootusrootus wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If one of my kids is sick, i just email the office to tell them I'm going to be working from home. Not a big deal. I've never worked anyplace where it would have been a problem.

Low income folks probably aren't working a cushy office job. It's probably manual labor.

Indeed.

I work in IT as a sysad. If it wasn't for the company I work for requiring in-person work, my job could be 100% remote.

But quite a while back, I worked low paying no benefit jobs to make ends meet. And it's pretty hard to make coffees or stock shelves 'remotely'.

The harder the labor, the worse the pay, and the worse your health will be, and the less benefits you'll get. Unions were the antidote to that, but...

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by kbutler »

crankylinuxuser wrote: post #57
renholder wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Upboat for rationalisation. Also, from the European perspective (and specifically speaking of the technology sector, as that's what I have first-hand experience with), taking sick leave to take care of a child at home isn't a thing, whatsoever. You would just send an email to your team saying that you're sorry but you're working from home because your kid is sick and that would be the end of it. No compulsion to take…

On the converse... I'm an American whom lives in Indiana. Let me share my experiences. I worked at Starbucks for 5 years. When I got sick, I showed up to work. I know I worked while having the flu, and making drinks for people. If we didn't show up, our hours for next week would be messed up badly and intentionally. We would go from 35 hours to 15 hours, or we'd be scheduled "clopens" - close at midnight, and open at…

If you have official paperwork showing you were fired for an injury on the job, lawyers would be happy to do the lawsuit on a contingency basis. It would be a foregone conclusion.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by ddebernardy »

renholder wrote: post #15
School-Cotton wrote: post #11

The headline here is incredibly misleading. The CDC is not making the factual claim that "low-income parents send sick kids to school due to lack paid sick leave". The actual truth: a paper from the CDC finding an apparently quite weak link between poverty and rate of school absence due to sickness stuck that in as one of many somewhat plausible explanations, in a very speculative discussion section. To emphasize: th…

Upboat for rationalisation. Also, from the European perspective (and specifically speaking of the technology sector, as that's what I have first-hand experience with), taking sick leave to take care of a child at home isn't a thing, whatsoever. You would just send an email to your team saying that you're sorry but you're working from home because your kid is sick and that would be the end of it. No compulsion to take…

What you said only applies when you're part of the workforce that can take its work home.

When you're more like the rest of the workforce, you show up where you're expected to man the cash register, nurse your patients, drive your truck, clean up the office, etc.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by cf498 »

dahfizz wrote: post #64
beardedwizard wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Low income folks probably aren't working a cushy office job. It's probably manual labor.

Do people in equivalent jobs in Europe also get to "work from home"?

You take a separate additional sick leave as a parent with a sick child in Germany. Working from home is something the employee can do to mitigate his absence. Each parent gets 10 days per year with one kid and up to 25 with multiple kids. If you are a single parent it doubles, so 20 for one kid and up to 50 for 2+ kids

edit: kids up to the age of 12.

edit2: it can be unpaid. However you get sickpay instead.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by todd3834 »

renholder wrote: post #15
School-Cotton wrote: post #11

The headline here is incredibly misleading. The CDC is not making the factual claim that "low-income parents send sick kids to school due to lack paid sick leave". The actual truth: a paper from the CDC finding an apparently quite weak link between poverty and rate of school absence due to sickness stuck that in as one of many somewhat plausible explanations, in a very speculative discussion section. To emphasize: th…

Upboat for rationalisation. Also, from the European perspective (and specifically speaking of the technology sector, as that's what I have first-hand experience with), taking sick leave to take care of a child at home isn't a thing, whatsoever. You would just send an email to your team saying that you're sorry but you're working from home because your kid is sick and that would be the end of it. No compulsion to take…

FWIW work from home because your kid is sick is extremely common at every company I’ve worked at in America as a software engineer as well. No one gets mad and it doesn’t make you look bad. Maybe I’ve been lucky or it could be an industry thing not necessarily a country thing.
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