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Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by lotsofpulp »

jopsen wrote: post #7
markdown wrote: post #5

Fiji just introduced 5 days/yr of "Family Care Leave" on the 1st of Jan, 2019. The Act doesn't require there to be sickness involved, so while you can take leave to care for your sick family member, theoretically you can also do so to support them at a school rugby match: https://i.imgur.com/Ct0wv5D.png Fiji is just barely above "third world" status. What's your excuse, USA?

In my experience all Americans want to help people in need, but when it comes to footing the bill, half of the population becomes very silent. I don't mind paying 50/50 in taxes or around there.. I don't have to feel bad about not helping people in need in Denmark. (Yes, yes, taxes does alleviate my personal responsibility for being a nice person who helps other people -- but small acts of kindness doesn't scale)

They don’t want to help, they just want to say they do.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by benj111 »

School-Cotton wrote: post #34
benj111 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm defining rich in this context as the US, as that was the developed nation we were talking about. You will note that despite the US being richer than most developed nations, it has poorer benefits like you highlighted [1], compared to those other developed nations. So I fail to see how that is circular, if the richer country has less of those things. [1] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2730947/Americans-p…

Well I guess I don't understand what point you're trying to make. Is it just the following? "High GDP per capita is positively correlated with other metrics of development, so it is an interesting exercise to attempt to understand why this applies more strongly in some societies than in others". If so, I agree with you that it's an interesting historical and sociological question. I guess what I have a negative react…

"Is it just the following? "High GDP per capita is positively correlated with other metrics of development, so it is an interesting exercise to attempt to understand why this applies more strongly in some societies than in others". If so, I agree with you that it's an interesting historical and sociological question"

Yes, and I think the parents question of "What's your excuse, USA?" was getting at the same thing, which is why I was confused about why you were questioning it.

:)

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by lotsofpulp »

zeroname wrote: post #33
markdown wrote: post #27

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An American parent has a sick child but can't care for them. A Fijian parent has a sick child and can care for them. This comes out of their own paycheck (not immediately and in equal measure, but over time and on the average. It's effectively vacation days) If you really don't see how the latter position is so vastly better for the individual parent than I don't know what to say. Perhaps you've never been a wage sla…

Believe it or not, an American parent can take a vacation day as well. The difference is, you're not forced to have vacation days and suffer lower pay for it. In any event, why have only five days? If five days is good, why aren't two weeks even better? How could five days be enough to care for your family? Why not a whole month, that's even better than two weeks! I'll tell you why: Because it's not a free lunch . Th…

It’s 5 days because there are no other paid leave laws. If the US had mandatory six to eight weeks paid leave for everyone like a civilized country, then there wouldn’t be a need to specify sick leave, other than allowing for leave without prior notice due to sudden illness or injury.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by taejo »

_of wrote: post #32
zeroname wrote: post #18

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> (specifically speaking of the technology sector, as that's what I have first-hand experience with) In other words, you're out of touch with ordinary, less privileged workers. > It really is a different world, over here. The antithesis to the apathetical, if I may be so bold... Oh, come on. If you're a developer you can have a "work from home" day in the US as well. Plus, you can earn far more and you pay less in ta…

> Oh, come on. If you're a developer you can have a "work from home" day in the US as well. Plus, you can earn far more and you pay less in taxes. What about the ones that are not developers?

They very often don't get to work from home even in Europe.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by StreamBright »

DanBC wrote: post #37
StreamBright wrote: post #36

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Thanks but I do not need any support from any state. I can manage my and my children's life just fine without them.

How were your children born? Fed? Clothed? Educated? Transported? Protected from crime?

Private healthcare, paid by my salary, private schools, cars, 2nd amendment.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by saagarjha »

StreamBright wrote: post #45
DanBC wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How were your children born? Fed? Clothed? Educated? Transported? Protected from crime?

Private healthcare, paid by my salary, private schools, cars, 2nd amendment.

The second amendment is not protection from crime; at best it’s protection from crime that presents an active danger to your safety.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by rayiner »

renholder wrote: post #15
School-Cotton wrote: post #11

The headline here is incredibly misleading. The CDC is not making the factual claim that "low-income parents send sick kids to school due to lack paid sick leave". The actual truth: a paper from the CDC finding an apparently quite weak link between poverty and rate of school absence due to sickness stuck that in as one of many somewhat plausible explanations, in a very speculative discussion section. To emphasize: th…

Upboat for rationalisation. Also, from the European perspective (and specifically speaking of the technology sector, as that's what I have first-hand experience with), taking sick leave to take care of a child at home isn't a thing, whatsoever. You would just send an email to your team saying that you're sorry but you're working from home because your kid is sick and that would be the end of it. No compulsion to take…

You’re comparing apples and oranges. The low income workers the CDC study looks at can’t “work from home”—they’re cashiers in retail, etc.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by xena »

zeroname wrote: post #30
renholder wrote: post #23

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> In other words, you're out of touch with ordinary, less privileged workers. Just because I'm "out of touch" with ordinary, less privileged workers doesn't equate to my experience and observations in the sector as being invalidated, yeah? Isn't the site "Hacker News" and not "ordinary, less privileged workers'" news? > Oh, come on. If you're a developer you can have a "work from home" day in the US as well. That mig…

> Just because I'm "out of touch" with ordinary, less privileged workers doesn't equate to my experience and observations in the sector as being invalidated, yeah? It means your experience doesn't scale to broader society, but you were making a point about broader society. If the ordinary secretary or the shift worker or the policeman don't get their "work from home days" there's essentially no difference in your exa…

> Working from home on occasion certainly isn't unusual.

Tell that to the employer that fired me for doing this lol.

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by rayiner »

jelliclesfarm wrote: post #14

Children are expensive. And it’s not about money. It’s about time and energy and effort and incessant tending and bonding. I honestly think people need counseling and planning before they start to think about starting a family. They need back up plans and contingency strategies. It used to be that we lived in small communal groups and non nuclear families. Usually matriarchal wherein the post menopausal grandmother p…

Children are difficult, but not as hard as you make it out to be. Out of my circle of friends, more than half the kids were unplanned (including our first child). It was no big deal—grandparents swooped in to keep things on the rails (something that is true for people of all income levels). For lower income people, a bit of help with childcare during work is all that’s necessary.

The “responsible parenting” approach you suggest would basically lead to lower income people never being in a position to have kids. And that would be a tragedy. Having children is one of the greatest joys in life. There is a really remarkable Gallup poll: https://news.gallup.com/poll/164618/desire-children-norm.asp...

Americans 45 and older were polled, and asked what they’d do if they had to do it over again. Just 7% of those with kids said they would’ve had zero kids. By contrast, 55% of those without kids would’ve had at least one. Indeed, while just 7% of people with kids would’ve had none if they did it over again, among those who never had kids, fully 18% wish they would have had 3 or more.

What other incredibly expensive, labor-intensive life choice has that kind of customer satisfaction rating?

Re: Associations Among School Absenteeism, G.I. and Respiratory Illness, and Income

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

School-Cotton wrote: post #11

The headline here is incredibly misleading. The CDC is not making the factual claim that "low-income parents send sick kids to school due to lack paid sick leave". The actual truth: a paper from the CDC finding an apparently quite weak link between poverty and rate of school absence due to sickness stuck that in as one of many somewhat plausible explanations, in a very speculative discussion section. To emphasize: th…

>The headline here is incredibly misleading. The CDC is not making the factual claim that "low-income parents send sick kids to school due to lack paid sick leave".

OP probably saw this on Reddit where it was posted with exactly that title and the comments had all the critical though you expect from Reddit.

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