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You overestimate the willingness of people to save their own life by not smoking, eating healthy, exercising etc.

i dont think that eating too many cheeseburgers is very similar to being a user of insanely addictive intravenous drugs... do you think that "just stop injecting heroin" is actually all it takes?

You have to look at the numbers (I haven't, just think hamburgers are more harmful).

I think doctors to want patients to exercise & stuff, but patients don't (ex: diabetes).

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#132

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The insurance companies are not recommending generics because it’s cheaper for the patient...they do it because it’s cheaper for them. There are many reasons generics, especially in the case of Medicare patients with chronic conditions, are worse for a patient. Generally if you have a Medicare patientwith chronic conditions such as diabeties and/or high blood pressure, and their physician has successfully been managi…

Do you think cost should ever be a factor in patient care? Looking it up, generics usually cost 80-85% less than brand drugs. They are tested and contain the exact same active ingredients. Is it worth the patient and/or the insurance company paying 5-7x more to keep the coloring agents etc the same? I understand that sometimes it may make a difference, probably especially for things with complicated delivery mechanis…

>Do you think cost should ever be a factor in patient care?

Should the insurers costs be a factor in patient care? No.

Should pharmacists be paid by insurers to contra to cold call patients and interfere with the doctor patient relationship? No.

Should the pharmacists be financially incentivized to get patients to consent changes to therapies on the basis those changes lower insurers costs? No.

Should pharmacists be forced to do the bidding of the insurers under threat of being dropped from the insurance network? No.

Should doctors be forced to accept the insurers recommendations for changes to patient therapies under threat of being dropped from the insurers network? No.

It’s great to lower patient costs...and that’s what insurers and pharmacists on hanging their hat on, as I said almost no one knows the reality of how and why it’s being done. It’s no secret insurance companies are dropping pharmacies and doctors who don’t play ball (it’s worse for a patient to lose their network of doctors than pay for name brand drugs if the doctor feels that’s in their best interest). It’s also no secret that insurance companies are consolidating the market (buying pharmacies, buys hospitals and buying doctor offices) and forcing thei patients to the insurance owned doctors/pharmacies.

It can’t be ignored that patients are now often seeing a doctor owned by the insurer, filling their drugs at an insurance owned pharmacy...and decisions about patient care are made by the insurance company to lower their cost, not patient costs.

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#133

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Doctors don't just become magically aware of new drugs, it's not like every MD gets a newsletter a la "here's what shows are coming to Netflix". Treatments compete over the condition/disease just like any competitive market, even if a drug has a patent.

Why don't doctors just get a newsletter?

> Why don't doctors just get a newsletter?

Even if they did, that would literally be marketing, which is what you're apparently against.

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#134

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Why don't doctors just get a newsletter?

> Why don't doctors just get a newsletter? Even if they did, that would literally be marketing, which is what you're apparently against.

I assume they meant a non-promotional newsletter that isn’t from the manufacturer.

Those do exist, but not all doctors read them. However, those same doctors might spare 10 min to have a manufacturer rep stop by to answer questions.

I’ll also add that doctors aren’t dumb. They know anything from manufacturers is biased - they want to sell drugs. They usually rely on other physicians to give them info on real world experience with a drug.

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I would not be comfortable with that method, and would definitely find a new doctor if I was presented with that situation

Well big ailments I would mind too. But small ones like fever or flu, I am ok particularly because its much less time consuming and much cheaper.

Ah, a reverse quarantine

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Do you think cost should ever be a factor in patient care? Looking it up, generics usually cost 80-85% less than brand drugs. They are tested and contain the exact same active ingredients. Is it worth the patient and/or the insurance company paying 5-7x more to keep the coloring agents etc the same? I understand that sometimes it may make a difference, probably especially for things with complicated delivery mechanis…

>Do you think cost should ever be a factor in patient care? Should the insurers costs be a factor in patient care? No. Should pharmacists be paid by insurers to contra to cold call patients and interfere with the doctor patient relationship? No. Should the pharmacists be financially incentivized to get patients to consent changes to therapies on the basis those changes lower insurers costs? No. Should pharmacists be…

>>Should the insurers costs be a factor in patient care? No.

This is a very odd view to take. I live in a single-payer system (Canada), although we don't have a similar system for prescriptions (yet). I have supplementary medical insurance through my work. Of course I want my insurer to keep costs low; that means more money to pay for important things, and lower costs for my employer (and by extension, me).

I take two regular prescriptions, and I happily accept generics, because they're cheaper and they work. If they didn't, and the name-brand would for some reason, then yes, I'd expect my insurer to pay for that. But to default to the lower-cost one is not a bad thing for patient care.

If you think the insurance companies are taking too much money from this relationship (I do) or if the whole idea of barely restrained medical capitalism is immoral (I do) or if insurance companies should have much less control over medical decisions (I do), I can understand that, but especially in the current system this is one of the few good ways to keep costs slightly lower.

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