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Re: List of 30 European Tech Visas and Work Permits

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Post by Plasmoid2000ad »

_kyran wrote: post #125
CalRobert wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Californian in Dublin - I feel embarrassingly overpaid in Ireland. But every time I go to the US, I feel embarrassingly underpaid. My wife and I went from California to Ireland, then back to California for a year, and when she used up her whole 1 week of vacation and we realized even in tech we'd never afford a house where our kids could walk to a decent school, we moved back to Ireland. I'd make 2-3x as much in the…

Do you mind sharing what role/salary you were offered in Dublin? I was offered 35k for a junior role, but declined it as that seemed pretty low (especially taking into account housing difficulties there).

That does sound low. I started a junior role for a big company at 33k back in 2010. Every year that jumped significantly for new hires. I hear some java houses are still low balling though...

Re: List of 30 European Tech Visas and Work Permits

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Post by CalRobert »

magduf wrote: post #112
CalRobert wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Californian in Dublin - I feel embarrassingly overpaid in Ireland. But every time I go to the US, I feel embarrassingly underpaid. My wife and I went from California to Ireland, then back to California for a year, and when she used up her whole 1 week of vacation and we realized even in tech we'd never afford a house where our kids could walk to a decent school, we moved back to Ireland. I'd make 2-3x as much in the…

The thing to do is to work in the US for a while making a much higher salary, but living as cheaply as possible and banking all that cash. Then go move somewhere where you can enjoy quality-of-life.

Three things:

1) Part of the idea is to make work more pleasant, not endure a bunch of misery and then retire happily.

2) I'm alive now. Tomorrow, I might not be. The idea that we should be miserable in the present for a happy future doesn't sit well with me (I've already used up 35 of my years of life!). Around the time I hit 30 I was startled how friends started dying. Not loads, of course, but the rate definitely is creeping up. The mom (and baby) who died of eclampsia really struck home and reminded me that you do not save the best for last. Tomorrow Is Not Guaranteed.

3) Life is a series of closing doors, so they say, and there are huge chunks of life where picking up and moving to another country is completely impractical.

Got a husband/wife with a career already going? Hope you're ready to throw out their career or get divorced. Got a kid in a school they like? Kiss that goodbye. Already in a career and think sticking around a couple years will push you further up the ladder? Better just wait a while longer, than longer still, and longer still...

Also I graduated college in 2008 and it was a bloodbath. I couldn't get interviewed for ages, and I get plenty of interest now. For any young'uns it's hard to convey just how different (and awful) it can be. And I had it pretty good - at least I was employed. BUT it meant that I wasn't throwing away a career to move to Europe - I had a pretty mediocre job anyway. In a sense, I should be grateful I had the freedom to know I wasn't really losing much by leaving.

Re: List of 30 European Tech Visas and Work Permits

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Post by fileeditview »

gonsanchezs wrote: post #15
sneeze-slayer wrote: post #14

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It's interesting that you're moving to Berlin for a higher salary. I thought Berlin was infamous for very low salaries, but perhaps that's only among junior developers.

From personal friends, I know you can get paid >120k EUR if you have 5-10+ years of experience.

In my experience this salary is only available for team leads and only in some companies. Certainly not for 5 years of experience.

However sometimes there seem to be like parallel realities when it comes to salary.

Re: List of 30 European Tech Visas and Work Permits

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Post by gnulinux »

TomMarius wrote: post #22
aerodog wrote: post #12

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But not Turkey...(?)

Probably because the culture is separated, which is not the case with Israel?

I worked in a startup in Turkey (Istanbul) years ago (currently working in a startup in Boston). The culture was pretty "Western". The office had a beer fountain and my manager was really chill, it was an enjoyable experience. Not sure if you would be able to find that in any other part of the country though.

Re: List of 30 European Tech Visas and Work Permits

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Post by digianarchist »

joelbluminator wrote: post #52
xacaxulu wrote: post #10

American in Paris for 1 year working as a Senior DevSecOps Engineer (or whatever they want to call us). Went from 225kUSD/yr in usa to 95kEUR in Europe (most senior devs are lucky to get 75k, paris tech salaries are lagging behind London, AMS and Berlin. I felt like I was getting underpaid until I figured out (awkwardly at a dinner) that i make more than a lot of doctors and government ministers. Plus the healthcare,…

Amsterdam is pricey and the salaries are not that good, if you want to come for the experience sure go for it. But to settle in? Think twice.

Rent in Dublin is ridiculous too.

Re: List of 30 European Tech Visas and Work Permits

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Post by digianarchist »

danilocesar wrote: post #97
woahitsraj wrote: post #48

Left the states a few years ago. After a 2 years stint in Toronto at a startup I now work for a Swedish development agency in Gothenburg. 6 weeks of paid vacation, great public transit, and affordable housing all mean I'm never going back to the states. If your considering moving to Europe, I'd highly recommend it. Salary isn't everything in life. Happy to answer any questions

What's so bad about Toronto? Ontario looks like a nice region to live.

3 weeks vacation is the norm here.

Average rent is $2100. Average house price $750,000.

Re: List of 30 European Tech Visas and Work Permits

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Post by digianarchist »

Spooky23 wrote: post #18

Another avenue to consider is that Ireland allows citizenship by registration for anyone with a grandparent born in Ireland. It’s a pretty easy process if you qualify, and isn’t a visa, you are immediately recognized. There are some gotchas. The US doesn’t acknowledge dual citizenship, and I believe you must travel in/out of the US with a US passport. If you have a US security clearance or wish to obtain one, you wil…

Canadian dual citizens must travel to and from Canada using a Canadian passport.

Re: List of 30 European Tech Visas and Work Permits

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Post by magduf »

CalRobert wrote: post #132
magduf wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing to do is to work in the US for a while making a much higher salary, but living as cheaply as possible and banking all that cash. Then go move somewhere where you can enjoy quality-of-life.

Three things: 1) Part of the idea is to make work more pleasant, not endure a bunch of misery and then retire happily. 2) I'm alive now. Tomorrow, I might not be. The idea that we should be miserable in the present for a happy future doesn't sit well with me (I've already used up 35 of my years of life!). Around the time I hit 30 I was startled how friends started dying. Not loads, of course, but the rate definitely…

>1) Part of the idea is to make work more pleasant, not endure a bunch of misery and then retire happily.

I never recommended spending your entire career living someplace miserable. It doesn't take very long to save up a nice amount of cash if you're working in a tech job.

Re: List of 30 European Tech Visas and Work Permits

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Post by kdlkldwkfr »

kdlkldwkfr wrote: post #118
kkwteh wrote: post #62

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I moved to Paris from San Francisco. The startup I joined uses English as its working language, so the language barrier hasn't been a problem at all. Also I found French to be relatively similar to English and quite easy to learn. It's been a huge joy being able to speak to people in a second language. I've wanted to learn a second language for a long time and I finally have a good reason to do it. Also there are int…

The salary in the parent comment it's out off the charts. What do you think of Parisian salaries? Most devs make 2618 per month after taxes which is barely enough for a very modest life. I would like to hear your thoughts on that.

Most devs get between 45k(2618 euros per month after taxes) and 55k(3074 euros per month after taxes). Paris being on the top 3 most expensive cities in the world. 225k would account for 10125 per month after taxes, but in Paris thats unheard of.

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Post by superhuzza »

Spooky23 wrote: post #18

Another avenue to consider is that Ireland allows citizenship by registration for anyone with a grandparent born in Ireland. It’s a pretty easy process if you qualify, and isn’t a visa, you are immediately recognized. There are some gotchas. The US doesn’t acknowledge dual citizenship, and I believe you must travel in/out of the US with a US passport. If you have a US security clearance or wish to obtain one, you wil…

The main problem with maintaining US nationality is taxes. There are exemptions up to a certain limit, but you still have to file and potentially pay taxes to two countries.
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