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> Big computers and little computers are completely different beasts created by radically different groups of people. It's logical, I know, to assume that the personal computer came from shrinking a mainframe, but that's not the way it happened. This seems off. Those little computers in your phones run a flavor of Unix, just like the mainframes did (besides VMS, etc). Also, those little computers connect to the cloud…

What I took from this quote was that IBM and even DEC were shipping enormous devices that were engineered like digital tanks, with redundant data paths, redundant power supplies, somewhat hot-swappable component cards, and a guarantee of several nines worth of uptime, when combined with their first-party operating systems. Breakthrough home computers, by contrast, tended to emerge from "good enough to play games and play with balancing your bank account," having a strong emphasis on arcade graphics, but not so much on reliability.

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>On big things failing to scale down: It occurs to me that the same applied in the transition to mobile. Microsoft was obsessed with making hand-helds and phones into little PCs, keyboard and all. It actually required a radically new interaction model and interface technology to unlock the potential of the form factor.

Funny how these days it's the inverse, isn't it? Everyone, including Microsoft with Windows 10, seems to be obsessed with making PCs into large hand-helds and phones as far as user interfaces are concerned.

I think there are useful lessons that can be learned from mobile, that might be applicable to desktop, but you're right Microsoft made exactly the same mistake again in the opposite direction. I'd say they did that most egregiously with Windows 8 though.

Microsoft keep looking at a few data points they have now, extrapolate those into the future and then try to jump directly to that future. Currently it's an attempt to 'catch up' with Apple, but they keep extrapolating straight lines when the actual track of innovation is in curves. They did the same sort of thing with Longhorn, trying to re-invent the PC platform with object oriented database file systems and the whole OS running on .NET because Java looked like it was the wave of the future. They're trying to out-compete rival technologies without really thinking through what they're doing.

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> Big computers and little computers are completely different beasts created by radically different groups of people. It's logical, I know, to assume that the personal computer came from shrinking a mainframe, but that's not the way it happened. This seems off. Those little computers in your phones run a flavor of Unix, just like the mainframes did (besides VMS, etc). Also, those little computers connect to the cloud…

UNIX is not a mainframe OS. It was developed for minicomputers. As was VMS, by the way.

Minicomputers are just smaller and cheaper versions of their mainframe counterparts. It's only a small step in evolution, and not an important distinction in this context (imho).

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> I was recently recommended to read the book Accidental Empires by Robert X. Cringely, first published in 1992 (or was it 1991?) and apparently no longer in print... You can buy a new copy on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/dp/0887308554/

Hey look, the audio cassette (what's that??) is only $869!

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post #32

> I was recently recommended to read the book Accidental Empires by Robert X. Cringely, first published in 1992 (or was it 1991?) and apparently no longer in print... You can buy a new copy on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/dp/0887308554/

Hey look, the audio cassette (what's that??) is only $869!

Is it Robert X. Cringely's voice on the tape?

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It takes new ideas a long time to catch on - time that is mainly devoted to evolving the idea into something useful. This fact alone dumps most of the responsibility for early technical innovation in the laps of amateurs, who can afford to take the time. Only those who aren't trying to make money can afford to advance a technology that doesn't pay.

This is how I feel about hacker news. People who have the time to advance technology. And I'm grateful to witness so much of it here.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can change formats, but they can't lend more than a single copy at any given time or they will be violating copyright (and making more copies of a book than they actually have).

Ha, so banks can have fractional reserves but libraries can't. Typical.

Gotta keep the wealthy bankers happy

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>On big things failing to scale down: It occurs to me that the same applied in the transition to mobile. Microsoft was obsessed with making hand-helds and phones into little PCs, keyboard and all. It actually required a radically new interaction model and interface technology to unlock the potential of the form factor.

Funny how these days it's the inverse, isn't it? Everyone, including Microsoft with Windows 10, seems to be obsessed with making PCs into large hand-helds and phones as far as user interfaces are concerned.

I didn't use a windows computer in all of 2018 and 2019. MS's "let's make PC GUIs more like a 2006 flip phone" strategy and other random instabilities and anti-user designs have inverted the difficultly of switching to linux to now being difficult to stay on windows.

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> Big computers and little computers are completely different beasts created by radically different groups of people. It's logical, I know, to assume that the personal computer came from shrinking a mainframe, but that's not the way it happened. This seems off. Those little computers in your phones run a flavor of Unix, just like the mainframes did (besides VMS, etc). Also, those little computers connect to the cloud…

The idea that big computers and little computers were fundamentally different goes back at least as far as 1976, when I ran into Steve Jobs at Country Sun Natural Foods in Palo Alto.

Both of us being hippies, we got to talking and Steve told me he'd just started a company with a friend and explained the name: "Take a byte out of the apple, get it?"

He mentioned that they needed a 6502 disassembler, and I said that was right up my alley. I'd been programming for eight years and had done low level assembly and binary machine code on several different architectures, so this looked like a fun little project.

We didn't talk money, not that he had any, it just seemed like an interesting weekend diversion.

Steve called me a couple of days later and said, "Mike, I've been thinking about this. Your experience is all with mainframe computers. The 6502 is a microcomputer. It works on fundamentally different principles than those mainframes. There's no way you could possibly write this disassembler, so forget it."

I tried to explain that I'd gone through the 6502 reference, and it was just another instruction set with concepts similar to the others I'd worked with. Steve wouldn't have any of it: "I'm sorry, I've made up my mind. You just don't know anything about microcomputers, all you know is mainframes. Goodbye."

Naturally I said to myself, "Who is this Steve Jobs guy telling me I can't program?" So I went ahead and wrote enough of the disassembler to show that I did indeed know how to do it.

I was about to call Steve back to tell him the good news, but then I thought, "The last phone call didn't go so well. Maybe I'd better drop by his office and show him the code."

So I looked up the address for Apple Computer and found it at 770 Welch Road in Palo Alto. I walked into the building and looked around. It didn't look like a computer company, all I saw was a row of telephone switchboards - the old kind with plugs and jacks - with an operator at each one.

I asked one of the operators where Apple Computer was. She hesitated a moment and said, "Uh, this is their answering service."

Well, of course no successful business used an answering service. I turned around and walked out the door, saying to myself, "These guys are flakes. They're never going to make it."

To this day I don't know if I missed out on becoming a billionaire, or if I dodged a bullet.

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