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List of 30 European Tech Visas and Work Permits

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Re: List of 30 European Tech Visas and Work Permits

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Post by novaRom »

xacaxulu wrote: post #10

American in Paris for 1 year working as a Senior DevSecOps Engineer (or whatever they want to call us). Went from 225kUSD/yr in usa to 95kEUR in Europe (most senior devs are lucky to get 75k, paris tech salaries are lagging behind London, AMS and Berlin. I felt like I was getting underpaid until I figured out (awkwardly at a dinner) that i make more than a lot of doctors and government ministers. Plus the healthcare,…

>> 225kUSD/yr in usa to 95kEUR in Europe

95k is about 50k after taxes and other no opt-out insurances and social taxes. Most EU countries have VAT 19-24%.

I usually compare USA with Western Europe using factor 2 (3 for Eastern Europe). So, if you get $150k in USA, you have to get €50k in Budapest to have similar quality of life.

Re: List of 30 European Tech Visas and Work Permits

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Post by xacaxulu »

wozniacki wrote: post #76
gonsanchezs wrote: post #19

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Ah, the magic of the Tiquet Resto and 38 days of paid vacation/year ;)

Is that literally a meal voucher? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meal_voucher

Yes, usually 10-20 Euros a workday.

Re: List of 30 European Tech Visas and Work Permits

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Post by mrweasel »

jlangenauer wrote: post #72
mrweasel wrote: post #69

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> 225kUSD/yr That seems insanely high by European standards. That is well above what I would expect even a CTO to make.

That’s what he/she was making in the United States.

I understand that, but I still find that to be extremely high. I'm in Denmark, a country that's known for high cost of living and high saleries to match, and I wouldn't expect a senior dev/ops/sec position to pay more than half that.

Re: List of 30 European Tech Visas and Work Permits

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Post by xacaxulu »

adventured wrote: post #36
xacaxulu wrote: post #10

American in Paris for 1 year working as a Senior DevSecOps Engineer (or whatever they want to call us). Went from 225kUSD/yr in usa to 95kEUR in Europe (most senior devs are lucky to get 75k, paris tech salaries are lagging behind London, AMS and Berlin. I felt like I was getting underpaid until I figured out (awkwardly at a dinner) that i make more than a lot of doctors and government ministers. Plus the healthcare,…

At $225,000 what was your total compensation and did that include healthcare (which is basically universal at that salary)? If you're earning that much, essentially all of your healthcare costs should be getting covered by your employer, as would be typical (it's typical at half that salary). I can easily understand a preference regarding culture and ease of transit, however it's hard to believe that 20 subsidized lu…

That was total comp. I was a Solutions Architect at Dell EMC. But I worked 60 hour weeks, did the usual client facing bs, used my own time to fill out reimbursement forms yaddayadda. Id rather make 80k in France any day of the week.

Re: List of 30 European Tech Visas and Work Permits

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Post by novaRom »

kogepathic wrote: post #50
badpun wrote: post #40

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How do the post-tax salaries (Paris vs US) look like? I’m asking because France is reported to have the highest taxes in the world.

I live and work in Paris. My net income after taxes, social contributions, etc is 65% of my gross salary. This includes the new prélèvement à la source, so in theory I shouldn't owe additional taxes next year. I personally calculate every mandatory contribution that comes off my gross salary as "taxes" even though many people will disagree. IMHO, it's mandatory, it comes off the top, so it's "taxes" I wouldn't consid…

>> My net income after taxes, social contributions, etc is 65% of my gross salary.

It certainly depends on your income?

Re: List of 30 European Tech Visas and Work Permits

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Post by xacaxulu »

mrweasel wrote: post #83
jlangenauer wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s what he/she was making in the United States.

I understand that, but I still find that to be extremely high. I'm in Denmark, a country that's known for high cost of living and high saleries to match, and I wouldn't expect a senior dev/ops/sec position to pay more than half that.

Its not high if you live in NYC or SF. Its above average but not by much.

Re: List of 30 European Tech Visas and Work Permits

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Post by xacaxulu »

razorbladeknife wrote: post #80
xacaxulu wrote: post #10

American in Paris for 1 year working as a Senior DevSecOps Engineer (or whatever they want to call us). Went from 225kUSD/yr in usa to 95kEUR in Europe (most senior devs are lucky to get 75k, paris tech salaries are lagging behind London, AMS and Berlin. I felt like I was getting underpaid until I figured out (awkwardly at a dinner) that i make more than a lot of doctors and government ministers. Plus the healthcare,…

I get paid 250K EUR in Geneva for writing deadbeat Scala code for Banks. I doubt anyone can match that in Europe I am straight out of ETH Zurich so my experience is negligible.

I highly contemplated both Zurich and Luxembourg because of my finance tech experience (SocGen, BoA, Wells Fargo, Goldman Stackzzz). I love Switzerland.

Re: List of 30 European Tech Visas and Work Permits

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Post by benttoothpaste »

Spooky23 wrote: post #65
cr1895 wrote: post #32

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>The US doesn’t acknowledge dual citizenship How is that a gotcha?

If you’re in a field where future work may require a security clearance in the US, my understanding (which may be incorrect) is that you have to renounce the second citizenship. You may have other trouble if you travel to a place sanctioned by the US, but not by the second country. There may be others — citizenship is a deeper commitment than a visa.

It used to be like that but these days it is possible to get a security clearance while retaining the second citizenship provided there is no "conflict of interest". Whether there is a conflict of interest or not will be determined by the government investigation of course.
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