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China’s tech sector is in the doldrums

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Re: China’s tech sector is in the doldrums

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Post by withhighprod »

ratling wrote: post #15
valgor wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All western, liberal media sources refuse to publish anything that paints China in a good light. I think it is because the US is falling behind while China is pushing forward. However, China media sources are as completely bias as western sources, only in the opposite direction. I suspect reality is some where in the middle.

They aren’t? China is really good at copying/stealing other people’s ideas. Not coming up with the next big thing.

Chinese won’t tell you they are working on the next big thing. Oh let’s don’t put ride sharing and other tech nonsense into the picture. “Shared bicycle” startup scaled up in China the first time and they just burned billions with close to zero values

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Post by achow »

ElBarto wrote: post #17
achow wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well not really. I stay in a place where water drought is a looming dark cloud on the horizon, so from that perspective.. 1. Affordable device that harvests water from air Water wastage is a huge problem, so.. 2. IoT devices that detects leakages in main pipes 3. IoT water meters for individual apartments in housing societies. One of the major problem is water is not metered per households in large apartments, so the…

Not everything can be solved by IoT/AI/blockchain...

Inclusion of the term "IoT" was deliberate, monitoring water (distribution, use, misuse, quality) remotely and at a scale precisely is the problem that IoT can solve.

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Post by adventured »

ElBarto wrote: post #19
adventured wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your result is including all infractions of any type across the board and indicates that poor water safety is rare and isolated. To get the total sum, it's compiled over 34 years, and says: "relatively few community water systems (3–10%) incur health-based violations in a given year." It also states that in the most dense parts of the country, urban regions, there are rarely problems. As well as this conclusion: "Gen…

"In 2015, nearly 21 million people relied on community water systems that violated health-based quality standards" The number given for water access issues in China was 3.5% of the population (which is 'infrequent'...) That's why I ventured that the situation there is not that bad proportionally to population. Why arguing on something that isn't even the main point of my initial comment... It's exhausting. It also fe…

I already covered that quoted segment. The 21 million figure includes all infractions of any type, regardless of severity.

The primary problem in the US is aging infrastructure in sparsely populated rural areas, as stated in the study the USA Today article quotes from. Nearly the entire US gets a good violations score in terms of low instance counts, except for Oklahoma (they show an extreme number of violations), rural West Texas (also intense), and a few isolated rural pockets in eg California and Idaho (~1/10th or fewer the violation counts of the OK & W.TX examples). The OK and West TX examples are no doubt caused by the polluting energy industries there.

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Post by sct202 »

Waterluvian wrote: post #2

Any time I see an article about China's tech doom I'm skeptical. Are there any solid, trustworthy sources for statistics on these matters? Where should I be looking for signal?

It's like using ZeroHedge as your source of news. It is not inaccurate (they generally link to reputable sources), but potentially overblown or out of context.

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Post by baybal2 »

adventured wrote: post #5
blue4 wrote: post #3

> By one count 48 million people in China lack sufficient drinking water. The number of people facing severe drinking water shortages doubled to 5.9 million in early 2008 because of a severe winter drought. China has more than a fifth of the world's population but only 7 percent of its fresh water. Not from the article, but if there was a startup needed and one that could jump start their sector there, a significant…

What's China's position when it comes to desalination? I'd expect they have massive desalination plants along their large coast.

China has enormous amount of freshwater, it's just not managed properly. Pakistan - same story.

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Post by ForHackernews »

achow wrote: post #22
ElBarto wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everything can be solved by IoT/AI/blockchain...

Inclusion of the term "IoT" was deliberate, monitoring water (distribution, use, misuse, quality) remotely and at a scale precisely is the problem that IoT can solve.

There's no "IoT" problem here. You can have plenty of automated systems monitoring your infrastructure without the security nightmare of making them accessible on the public internet.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

Waterluvian wrote: post #2

Any time I see an article about China's tech doom I'm skeptical. Are there any solid, trustworthy sources for statistics on these matters? Where should I be looking for signal?

The Economist article is making a relatively benign claim: it isn’t claiming collapse, crash, or even a recession, just a downturn.

So how did you get “tech doom” out of that? Is it just the setup for a straw man?

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Post by simonh »

valgor wrote: post #9
Waterluvian wrote: post #2

Any time I see an article about China's tech doom I'm skeptical. Are there any solid, trustworthy sources for statistics on these matters? Where should I be looking for signal?

All western, liberal media sources refuse to publish anything that paints China in a good light. I think it is because the US is falling behind while China is pushing forward. However, China media sources are as completely bias as western sources, only in the opposite direction. I suspect reality is some where in the middle.

Western media sources (many of which are not liberal) rarely publish anything that paints anyone in a good light. Why should they make an exception for China? They hold everyone's feet to the fire all the time, and so they should.

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Post by valgor »

simonh wrote: post #28
valgor wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All western, liberal media sources refuse to publish anything that paints China in a good light. I think it is because the US is falling behind while China is pushing forward. However, China media sources are as completely bias as western sources, only in the opposite direction. I suspect reality is some where in the middle.

Western media sources (many of which are not liberal) rarely publish anything that paints anyone in a good light. Why should they make an exception for China? They hold everyone's feet to the fire all the time, and so they should.

I used the term 'liberal' as in they are pro-market, which the Economist claims to be.
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