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YC's latest moonshot bet is a startup building a $380K “flying motorcycle”

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Re: YC's latest moonshot bet is a startup building a $380K “flying motorcycle”

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While most people are focused on how it will work for commute and day to day activities, even if it doesn't work for those use cases, it is great for theme parks, adventure rides type of use cases. People spend millions of $$ every year on those "weird" roller coaster rides and theme parks.

We opened our experience center in socal Nov 2018. Can come test out a real JetPack. Think the ifly model.

For anyone wondering about the price[0]:

Experience Day fees start from only $10,000 per person per day with possible discounts for groups and full training costs approximately $60,000.

[0] https://jetpackaviation.com/fly-a-jetpack/

Re: YC's latest moonshot bet is a startup building a $380K “flying motorcycle”

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Where are they getting the engine? You can get model aircraft jet engines with enough power for this.[1] Various human-carrying craft have been built that way, such as the Zapata Flyboard.[2] But the engines have a lifespan measured in hours and not enough reliability for carrying humans. That's why all the demo videos of these things are over water, or tethered. People have been trying to build small, cheap jet engi…

> You can get model aircraft jet engines with enough power for this.[1] Various human-carrying craft have been built that way, such as the Zapata Flyboard.[2] But the engines have a lifespan measured in hours and not enough reliability for carrying humans. That's why all the demo videos of these things are over water, or tethered.

All engines have lifespans measured in hours. Jetcat engines have service intervals of 25-50 hours, which usually involves bearing replacements, inspection, cleaning etc.

Non-RC small engines have very normal service intervals of 1000s of hours, right on par with large jet engines and as long or longer than piston engines. The JFS100[1] is slightly more powerful than a JetCat 550, and is a bona fide helicopter engine. Helicopters[2] have used small They don't have the same power/weight ratio as jetcats because they're used to drive props- there is no demand for tiny jet engines because props are more efficient and jets require too much reduction for slow speed personal aircraft.

> The video is a bit suspicious. It's very quiet. You can hear the boats over it. It doesn't blow stuff around. It doesn't move his clothing. It doesn't ripple the water even at low altitude. Other videos of small jet engines are very noisy and have lots of jet blast.

This is excessively incredulous. The flyboard is well documented and perfectly reasonable. These people balance on jets of water without computers and jet engines are built to be trimmed in to match each other closely. Otherwise you'd have planes going in to flat spins when they pushed the throttle too hard.

He never goes near the water in that video, it's loud as hell, the only boat you can hear is a cigarette boat (which is basically a drag car), and he's wearing full leathers. Of course they aren't rippling. How would they fake a video like this[3]?

[1]: http://nyethermodynamics.com/jfs100/index.html

[2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VxwRo9jzwg

[3]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQzLrvz4DKQ

Re: YC's latest moonshot bet is a startup building a $380K “flying motorcycle”

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Where are they getting the engine? You can get model aircraft jet engines with enough power for this.[1] Various human-carrying craft have been built that way, such as the Zapata Flyboard.[2] But the engines have a lifespan measured in hours and not enough reliability for carrying humans. That's why all the demo videos of these things are over water, or tethered. People have been trying to build small, cheap jet engi…

I wonder if it's legal to use Jet turbine in my car to produce extra acceleration for overtaking during commute.

Re: YC's latest moonshot bet is a startup building a $380K “flying motorcycle”

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I thought that YC was only interested in stuff that "scales"? This is just a toy for wealthy type-A thrill-seekers. How big of a market is that? Seems sort of like a premium jet-ski that flies, but is even louder and more annoying, and has far more property damage potential in addition to being capable of producing even more gruesome accident scenes than crotchrocket motorbikes. I think they should go for it, but I e…

Tesla also launched as a car for the 1%, but now they have learned enough that they are trying to introduce a model for $30k. Will the Tesla $30k coming out soon car be great, we don't know yet, we might have to wait 10 years before there is a great $30k electric car. What we do know is that you have to try before it happens, and the 1% buying toys has funded some really awesome stuff that has eventually come down in price enough for everyone to afford and enjoy. This motorbike might be $380k today, but how much could one cost in 10 or 15 years?

Re: YC's latest moonshot bet is a startup building a $380K “flying motorcycle”

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As seen on twitter, and I fully agree. This is the biggest problem in the world, according to YC. As befits the title “moonshot,” it’s the most pressing problem we face. It’s SO HARD that we might not ever fully solve it, but it’s SO IMPORTANT to society that we should fund it anyway. Homelessness? Hunger? Nope: A flying motorcycle.

Where did YC state it's the "biggest problem in the world"? Where did YC use the term "moonshot"?

This is just one of about 200 companies YC has funded in this batch alone. Some of the other ones are working on humanitarian problems, and over the years YC has funded many non-profits and companies working on humanitarian problems, as well as putting huge funding towards research into basic income and medical challenges.

There's no opportunity cost issue here: YC seeks to fund every project - commercial or humanitarian - that seems to have some chance of succeeding or leading to some kind of valuable breakthrough.

You should point to a case where they've failed to do that if you know of one - I'm sure YC would like to know about it.

Re: YC's latest moonshot bet is a startup building a $380K “flying motorcycle”

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That's why I don't think we would ever have flying cars either. We can barely handle driving on flat surfaces and I suspect most people on the road only get by idly emulating simple line following machines rather than actually engaging the whole situation. It takes a third party to orchestrate busy sections of our current flying vehicles, planes, so I can't see any alternative to full automation of a mass of flying c…

I'm of the same mind. There's a reason pilots have to have hundreds of hours of training before they are allowed to fly solo. Adding a third dimension to piloting a small personal vehicle takes every bit of concentration and awareness a human can handle. I definitely don't want to see the average driver next to me every morning and afternoon -- the one making all kinds of bad decisions like running red lights and not…

Conversely, there are a bunch of countries where you can get your PPL before your driving license. I first flew a plane when I was 14. It's not that hard.
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