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List of 30 European Tech Visas and Work Permits

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Re: List of 30 European Tech Visas and Work Permits

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American in Paris for 1 year working as a Senior DevSecOps Engineer (or whatever they want to call us). Went from 225kUSD/yr in usa to 95kEUR in Europe (most senior devs are lucky to get 75k, paris tech salaries are lagging behind London, AMS and Berlin. I felt like I was getting underpaid until I figured out (awkwardly at a dinner) that i make more than a lot of doctors and government ministers. Plus the healthcare,…

I moved to Paris from San Francisco. The startup I joined uses English as its working language, so the language barrier hasn't been a problem at all. Also I found French to be relatively similar to English and quite easy to learn. It's been a huge joy being able to speak to people in a second language. I've wanted to learn a second language for a long time and I finally have a good reason to do it.

Also there are interesting startups in Paris outside of fintech, like Alan (where I work), Algolia, and Datadog. Airbnb, Facebook and Google have offices here as well I believe.

I've never been to Berlin, so I can't really compare, but I really enjoy living in Paris so far. I certainly like Paris more than San Francisco.

I wrote a blog post about my move a few weeks ago: https://medium.com/@kkwteh/why-i-moved-from-san-francisco-to...

Re: List of 30 European Tech Visas and Work Permits

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Netherlands is pretty favorable. Get an MSc and you'll have full access to the Dutch job market for a whole year, then once you get a job you can get the highly-skilled migrant permit (with less restrictive criteria I think). After five years and passing some "integration" tests you can get permanent residence. You're disadvantaged in some ways however because you're ineligible for the 30% tax ruling you'd possibly r…

Graduates can receive 30% ruling...

Only PhD graduates, according to the Belastingdienst.

https://www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/wcm/connect/bldcontenten/...

https://www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/wcm/connect/bldcontenten/...

Re: List of 30 European Tech Visas and Work Permits

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post #51

Thanks for the list - would love to see which countries are new-grad friendly as well.

Netherlands is pretty favorable. Get an MSc and you'll have full access to the Dutch job market for a whole year, then once you get a job you can get the highly-skilled migrant permit (with less restrictive criteria I think). After five years and passing some "integration" tests you can get permanent residence. You're disadvantaged in some ways however because you're ineligible for the 30% tax ruling you'd possibly r…

Yeah I'm only getting a Bachelor's.

Re: List of 30 European Tech Visas and Work Permits

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post #32

Another avenue to consider is that Ireland allows citizenship by registration for anyone with a grandparent born in Ireland. It’s a pretty easy process if you qualify, and isn’t a visa, you are immediately recognized. There are some gotchas. The US doesn’t acknowledge dual citizenship, and I believe you must travel in/out of the US with a US passport. If you have a US security clearance or wish to obtain one, you wil…

>The US doesn’t acknowledge dual citizenship How is that a gotcha?

If you’re in a field where future work may require a security clearance in the US, my understanding (which may be incorrect) is that you have to renounce the second citizenship. You may have other trouble if you travel to a place sanctioned by the US, but not by the second country.

There may be others — citizenship is a deeper commitment than a visa.

Re: List of 30 European Tech Visas and Work Permits

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I'm not familiar with the immigration system of too many other countries. But for the UK this is masking a lot of major differences between visas. For instance, the Tier 2 visa requires an employer to sponsor it. The visa is then tied to that job. That employer needs a license, et cetera. Whereas the tech nation visa allows someone to come to the UK without a job and look, and then change jobs easily.

Re: List of 30 European Tech Visas and Work Permits

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From personal friends, I know you can get paid >120k EUR if you have 5-10+ years of experience.

I would be interested to know what these friends do. From my personal experience in game-dev in Berlin, the highest earning coding individual-contributor (so not a manager) salary I ever saw was 70-something €k per year (and it is quite rare to go above €65k even as a very senior programmer). You will literally have to be C-level at a large and succesful company to earn €120k+ as far as I can tell (in this sector).

Haven't the game industry always relied on offering a "dream job" to underpay?

Re: List of 30 European Tech Visas and Work Permits

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American in Paris for 1 year working as a Senior DevSecOps Engineer (or whatever they want to call us). Went from 225kUSD/yr in usa to 95kEUR in Europe (most senior devs are lucky to get 75k, paris tech salaries are lagging behind London, AMS and Berlin. I felt like I was getting underpaid until I figured out (awkwardly at a dinner) that i make more than a lot of doctors and government ministers. Plus the healthcare,…

> 225kUSD/yr

That seems insanely high by European standards. That is well above what I would expect even a CTO to make.

Re: List of 30 European Tech Visas and Work Permits

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be interested to know what these friends do. From my personal experience in game-dev in Berlin, the highest earning coding individual-contributor (so not a manager) salary I ever saw was 70-something €k per year (and it is quite rare to go above €65k even as a very senior programmer). You will literally have to be C-level at a large and succesful company to earn €120k+ as far as I can tell (in this sector).

Haven't the game industry always relied on offering a "dream job" to underpay?

Sure, I expected web devs to earn maybe €80-90k but not €120k+
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