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Re: Ask HN: Any web startups using Java?

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Post by johnyzee »

arethuza wrote: post #72

How times change - when we started in '95 the fact that we were doing a server side application in Java was seen as a very cool thing. However, at some point about '99 or so Java seemed to endure a culture change where Java became popular as an "enterprise" platform and the values associated with that culture started to dominate a lot of discussions about how to do things. Suddenly everyone wanted to use every featur…

Reminds me of this fellow who was starting his little web crawler project using Java:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.java/browse_thread/...

Re: Ask HN: Any web startups using Java?

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Post by axod »

mhd wrote: post #79
axod wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're perpetuating a myth. Verbosity doesn't equal less productivity. I would be really surprised if anyone here said their bottleneck in programming was the speed they can type. Also, all languages have their needless verbosity - look at 'end' vs '}' (ruby vs java). Which is the more verbose?

Verbosity and increased complexity in Java comes mainly for two reasons, none of which is about minor syntactical issues. Java doesn't abstract very well beyond objects and classes. This becomes pretty irritating in stuff like event handlers, where you'd really like to use something like a lambda/delegate, but the only option you have is an inner class. This might change in the future, but right now some minor langua…

>> Also, Java library design often tends towards the obfuscated. [...]Adapters, [...]Implementations and [...]Factories, the usually bloated read/write beans, checked exceptions…

I've been using Java for 10 years+, and never used any of that.

Re: Ask HN: Any web startups using Java?

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Post by [deleted] »

johnyzee wrote: post #101
arethuza wrote: post #72

How times change - when we started in '95 the fact that we were doing a server side application in Java was seen as a very cool thing. However, at some point about '99 or so Java seemed to endure a culture change where Java became popular as an "enterprise" platform and the values associated with that culture started to dominate a lot of discussions about how to do things. Suddenly everyone wanted to use every featur…

Reminds me of this fellow who was starting his little web crawler project using Java: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.java/browse_thread/...

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Re: Ask HN: Any web startups using Java?

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Post by efsavage »

1) No, you can have a Java webapp up and running in < 1 hour for < $10/month on an EC2 micro instance. 2) Compared to the other popular languages right now, Java will solve far more performance problems than it adds. And yes, performance matters, and hardware doesn't solve everything. 3) We use Java at StyleFeeder, and reached profitability before being acquired. I credit our ability to pivot/refactor/scale quickly and cheaply enough to get to that point to many things, not the least of which is our decision to use Java.

Re: Ask HN: Any web startups using Java?

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Post by berlininsummer »

We decided to use Java and especially Wicket for our startup tasqade.com last year. I must say, I am still more than happy with this decision. Wicket is an awesome, growing framework, which made our lives so much easier. The clear seperation of code and html is just wonderful.

Secondly, we are Berlin based. Security and stability is such a big issue in German companies. You might agree or disagree if it is really true for Java software to be safer or more reliable, but just mentioning "Java" helps to sell to those companies.

Re: Ask HN: Any web startups using Java?

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Post by Uchikoma »

dabeeeenster wrote: post #94
Egregore wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is play framework, which is very good and comparable to RoR.

We're a Java house and just launched http://www.jigsawbox.com using the Play Framework ( http://www.playframework.org/ ). Play is seriously, seriously good. We used to build on top of a fairly heavy but powerful stack of Spring, Hibernate and Struts2/Wicket (depending on the app). Although there's a lot of power there there's also a lot of tangled XML and you need to do a fair amount of gymnastics to get through it a…

Not sure Play will scale using Excepitons for flow management.

Re: Ask HN: Any web startups using Java?

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Post by st3fan »

The startup that I used to work for was recently sold to a popular silicon valley based company for 30 million usd. Full Java. Running on own servers and EC2. Highly scaleable service based architecture.

It happens.

Re: Ask HN: Any web startups using Java?

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Post by darreld »

visural wrote: post #85

My startup http://www.onmydoorstep.com.au/ is Java/Wicket/Guice/Lucene based. Java's greatest strength is it's speed, a dearth of open-source libraries for pretty much anything you'd need. It's very possible to write light-weight simple code, if you shift out of the enterprise mind-set.

I think you meant a wealth of open-source libraries. There certainly isn't a shortage.
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