European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings • Hacker News Board

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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Post by henrikschroder » Thu, Mar 07, 2019, 6:55 AM UTC

emerongi wrote: post #216

Broken_Hippo wrote: post #88

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This will make for fun winters, with the sun rising long after rush hour. This is stupid. This doesn't matter at all. Really. Folks in northern locations deal with it all the time. The sun rises and sets during rush hour in lots of locations in the world and it doesn't cause things to end.

Either you drive to work in dark or drive home in dark. It really doesn't matter.

For a bunch of countries in northern Europe you don't even get to make the choice during winter. All trips to/from work or school are done in the dark, because there's just not enough daylight to go around.

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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Post by C1sc0cat » Thu, Mar 07, 2019, 9:42 AM UTC

bad_user wrote: post #257

C1sc0cat wrote: post #139

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It also helps reduce power usage and farmers also like the extra daylight for doing you know farmer things.

Farmers that want to do "farmer things" can wake up earlier and they need to be in tune with their animals, following a circadian rhythm, so the clock on the wall rarely tells them when to wake up. The sun doesn't all of a sudden rise earlier or later. The timezone is important when collaborating with others. Does a farmer need to do business? Not sure how that fits in the farmer things they do, but when they do busi…

You do know how powerful the farming lobby is in the US and EU - in the UK they pay no tax on Diesel for example.

And the farming lobby is even stringer in France and Germany

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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Post by mac01021 » Thu, Mar 07, 2019, 12:17 PM UTC

henrikschroder wrote: post #259

mac01021 wrote: post #215

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Which is exactly the same as using standard time all year and then moving all your appointments 1 hour earlier for the rest of eternity. Except that "noon" ceases to mean the time when the sun is highest in the sky equidistant between sunrise and sunset and "midnight" ceases to be the middle of the night. In this respect, standard time makes more sense. In no respect does "daylight time" make more sense. Still, anyth…

Solar noon coincides with noon for a pretty small amount of places, take a look at this map: http://blog.poormansmath.net/images/SolarTimeVsStandardTimeV... Only the thin stripes of white have it, for every other place solar noon is off by minutes, if not hours.

That's true. But almost everywhere in the continental US is within minutes.

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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Post by Asooka » Thu, Mar 07, 2019, 2:08 PM UTC

scotty79 wrote: post #172

Asooka wrote: post #156

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Year-round summer time sounds horrifying, is there anything I can do to prevent it?

Ask your boss if you can come to the office hour later in winter time.

Har har. That's not the problem, the problem is for everyone else who can't "just come an hour later" and especially for teenagers who will have to suffer even earlier school times for the entire year. From all I know, having winter time year-round will be objectively worse in aggregate, so I want to not have that happen. I already participated in the initial EU questionnaire and voted for repealing DST, but I don't want to end up on summer time all year.

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Post by LoSboccacc » Thu, Mar 07, 2019, 8:49 PM UTC

bonzini wrote: post #207

LoSboccacc wrote: post #130

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but here's the thing, in winter I still have to go to work in the dark

What time do you leave home in the winter? Both me and my wife leave at 8:15 AM, and it's already light in Milan.

7:40, Abruzzo.

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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Post by scotty79 » Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 10:58 AM UTC

Asooka wrote: post #264

scotty79 wrote: post #172

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Ask your boss if you can come to the office hour later in winter time.

Har har. That's not the problem, the problem is for everyone else who can't "just come an hour later" and especially for teenagers who will have to suffer even earlier school times for the entire year. From all I know, having winter time year-round will be objectively worse in aggregate, so I want to not have that happen. I already participated in the initial EU questionnaire and voted for repealing DST, but I don't…

Winter time all year wouldn't be good enough either. It's still way too early to be waking up at customary hours of winter time.

We made a huge mistake when we allowed larks not owls to set schedule our economy and society runs by.