I went to PAMF in Palo Alto, california yesterday for a "group diagnosis session" with the dermatologist. It seems dermatologist appointments are hard to get, so they came up with this method. You sit in a circle with other patients and doctor comes to each of you and quickly checks what happened to you and prescribes medicines. If she thinks it requires deeper consultation, she will scheduler private visits. I thoug…
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#92This is insurance. Literally insurance. You pay a monthly fee in return for a good, service or cash payment should something happen. however in the USA, something odd has happened. For what ever reason, be it legal, cultural or other, copay, crippling buerocracy and down right greed has stopped the health system working properly. The problem with a "netflix" model, is that doctors can currently prescribe anything, re…
In reality you have an army of paper pushers that are hired and have their salaries paid to restrict what can be prescribed. For patients that fit well in proper diagnoses and are otherwise typical it is sometimes annoying but for the 1-2% of patient that rules do not apply (for so many reasons that I cannot possibly enumerate here) it is detrimental. The people who are actually doing this job are not happy with it, the doctors are not happy with it. Every step of the prior authorization process is designed to irritate the doctor or provider (like saying all the patients information again when the representative changes or not accepting the case id to pull out the patient information or "sorry Dr. we only accept this application by fax, we don't do this online" or "this patient's plan does not support peer review") and discourage him from doing it. I know patients that were turned away because their doctors didn't want to handle specific prior auths for them.
"But doctor why don't you want to prescribe medication A that is as effective as medication B but it has more side effects?" As your advocate, I feel obliged to recommend the best medication, if your insurance does not want to cover it then they should take the risk and the legal responsibility of their policy not force me to change my recommendation based on price. Of course, I will not start with the bazooka antibiotic for your tonsillitis but there is a medical reason for not doing that (resistance development). Right now, I have to spend extra time to even justify why a patient should stay on a good medication yearly even if it works great for them. The doctor is your medical scientist consultant, he shouldn't be burdened with saving money from the system, he will tell you what is best, if you want them to give you a value-for-money determination they can do that as well. If two medications work exactly the same, I would happily give the older and cheaper one - it has been longer in the market so it has been more extensively tested.
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
just curious, do you think it’s just a coincidence that US companies are responsible for the vast majority of medical innovation?
Coincidence on what? What are you trying to say? Which facts correlate with that statement? That the US has the largest influx of educated immigrants? That the US has the shittiest medical system? That the US has the largest health insurance administrative overhead in history? That free market capitalism applied to healthcare has birthed the opioid epidemic? All of the above?
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While I agree insurance companies do harm, encouraging generics is probably a net benefit. Doctors, just like anyone else, respond to marketing, so they remember 'viagra' more easily than 'sildenafil' and write prescriptions accordingly. There's often no medical reason a generic isn't 100% suitable.
This surprised me a bit but generics are not always a de-branded version of a medication or the same formulation manufactured by a different company. Often times generic equivalents are different formulations (sometimes prior generation formulas and sometimes divergent formulas) that are considered to have the same effect. They nearly always do, but the weirdness of our stupid patent system means that sometimes they…
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If a drug is actually a good idea for patients, with no profit motive behind it, it will sell itself. This is entirely untrue. The one thing I learned in the biotech space is that doctors range from those doing research and know all about the cutting edge drugs all the way to doctors who are surprised to learn about a new drug that was approved a year ago. And there are way more of the 2nd kind. Changes to how condit…
Then that's a problem with your doctor.
And that's not to slam them. They often treat a ton of different diseases, and a new drug launch isn't the highest priority for them. They'll eventually learn about it, so marketing is an attempt to accelerate that.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
What does penicillin have to do with this?
I don't want to put words in their mouth, but I think it might be a bundle vs a la carte argument. For issues that tend towards short term treatments (eg a handful of antibiotic pills to mitigate the risk of wound infection) then you don't want to pay the same total price as someone who is treating some chronic condition. I can't find statistics on comparing one-off and routine prescription drug use. CDC data from 20…
Yeah this is what I meant. The article says that the Australian government offset the high cost of new Hep-C drugs by negotiating a flat rate of $7.5k per person per year for any Hep-C drugs, and then talks about the high cost of penicillin and epipens.
Nobody would use Netflix if the subscription fee had to account for films that cost billions in R&D and only 10 people were going to watch.
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#97Cool, I’d love to share my insurance with 3 people strategically distributed across time zones to avoid contention. But please don’t send me emails about my insurance being suddenly used in Egypt. Those false alarms are really worrying.
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Except drugs are different from other products. If a drug is actually a good idea for patients, with no profit motive behind it, it will sell itself. Doctors should be aware of the drugs the big drug manufacturers are producing, and prescribe accordingly based on need. If you need to hawk your drug by plastering TV ads all over the place, or by having salespeople push it to hospitals / etc., it's arguably not a neces…
> If a drug is actually a good idea for patients, with no profit motive behind it, it will sell itself. This is completely false. There's a once-daily pill that prevents contracting HIV, yet most of the people who have the greatest risk of contracting HIV (Black gay men) aren't taking it. Why? According to mountains of peer-reviewed research, the predominant factor is that they don't know it exists . That is literall…
I can only think one or two examples of drugs that "sold themselves". The new HCV meds are a good example of a lot of pent up demand even prior to approval. That said, there were still physicians out there that were not aware of the approval, so marketing still had work to do.
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#99This is insurance. Literally insurance. You pay a monthly fee in return for a good, service or cash payment should something happen. however in the USA, something odd has happened. For what ever reason, be it legal, cultural or other, copay, crippling buerocracy and down right greed has stopped the health system working properly. The problem with a "netflix" model, is that doctors can currently prescribe anything, re…
Expensive... generics?
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> If a drug is actually a good idea for patients, with no profit motive behind it, it will sell itself. This is completely false. There's a once-daily pill that prevents contracting HIV, yet most of the people who have the greatest risk of contracting HIV (Black gay men) aren't taking it. Why? According to mountains of peer-reviewed research, the predominant factor is that they don't know it exists . That is literall…
This is a great example. I can only think one or two examples of drugs that "sold themselves". The new HCV meds are a good example of a lot of pent up demand even prior to approval. That said, there were still physicians out there that were not aware of the approval, so marketing still had work to do.
Exactly - incredible demand for them, and even still Sovaldi didn't sell itself.