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Re: PureOS is convergent

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Post by threatofrain »

squarefoot wrote: post #81
tombert wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the GPD Win that I bought a couple years ago, which is more or a less a Nintendo-DS-Sized computer running "real" Windows, and I love it. I can do programming on the train, even while standing up, as well as use all the tooling that I like, including Vim actually. The only limitation for me has honestly been Windows, since I'm more of a Unixey guy. Something that has always bothered me is that smartphones are…

"but I feel incredibly limited in what I can actually do with my iPhone" That's because they're intended to work as media consumption devices rather than productivity ones. If someone feels productive on a phone, he or she has very likely adapted herself to the device than the other way around. I had to struggle yesterday with my GF new phone because her lawyer sent her a paper in .doc format using Whatsapp (no kiddi…

I certainly think that companies have been optimizing the phone for media consumption use, but I think it's because that's actually the only thing the phone is good for due its limited form factor.

Even if the phone becomes a more open platform, and we can snap our fingers and get superb battery life, better CPU, better screen, better storage, etc., typing even a few sentences on the phone is still pretty awful. Nothing short of serious improvement to digital assistants will help here.

Re: PureOS is convergent

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Post by aaaaaaaaaaab »

peller wrote: post #99
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #20

My primary concern with this is that different applications are inherently optimized for the platform on which they were originally designed. There are some applications that have a very dense UI because there's simply alot of functionality that the program handles (think of a video editor, an IDE, etc). Trying to slim down those applications to make them reactive so that they will scale onto a phone or tablet just s…

Exactly what you're describing already happened when the netbook fad took hold some years ago. It's crazy obvious on Gnome but KDE apps suffered too, and the defaults to this day are still shit (optimized for form factors 2% of people use). I feel like the solution is not necessarily to make one app do it all, but to embrace something more akin to a client-server architecture - one "app" with multiple UIs talking ove…

This “client-server architecture” sounds eerily similar to plain old MVC/MVP/MVVM...

Decoupling the UI from the business logic is not exactly a new concept.

Re: PureOS is convergent

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Post by peller »

aaaaaaaaaaab wrote: post #142
peller wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly what you're describing already happened when the netbook fad took hold some years ago. It's crazy obvious on Gnome but KDE apps suffered too, and the defaults to this day are still shit (optimized for form factors 2% of people use). I feel like the solution is not necessarily to make one app do it all, but to embrace something more akin to a client-server architecture - one "app" with multiple UIs talking ove…

This “client-server architecture” sounds eerily similar to plain old MVC/MVP/MVVM... Decoupling the UI from the business logic is not exactly a new concept.

Agreed, and that's kind of the point - this shouldn't be a problem to begin with, aside from the fact that "everybody" prefers to write their own shit from scratch :)

Re: PureOS is convergent

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Post by hacym »

linuxftw wrote: post #133
wanderfowl wrote: post #77

The exciting part of this to me is not the ability to run the same software on two devices, but the potential to run two 'kinds' of software on one single device. This unlocks what is for me the most appealing computing fantasy: I have exactly one device to compute with. At home or work, I plug it into my dock, where it pairs to an eGPU/monitor, external storage, keyboard, and mouse, and is my desktop computer. There…

> $4000+ That's an excessive number. Great laptops can be had for under $1000. Obviously, you could spend over $4000, but I don't think this is a reasonable number for most people. Even most 'computer' people. And who still buys tablets anyway?

iPad sales in 2018:

Q1 2018 13.17 million Q2 2018 9.11 million Q3 2018 11.55 million Q4 2018 9.67 million

I think a few people still buy them...

So if you spend $2500 on a MacBook Pro, $800 on an iPad, and then $1000 on your iPhone, boom, you're over $4000.

$4000 doesn't go very far.

Re: PureOS is convergent

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Post by linuxftw »

hacym wrote: post #144
linuxftw wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> $4000+ That's an excessive number. Great laptops can be had for under $1000. Obviously, you could spend over $4000, but I don't think this is a reasonable number for most people. Even most 'computer' people. And who still buys tablets anyway?

iPad sales in 2018: Q1 2018 13.17 million Q2 2018 9.11 million Q3 2018 11.55 million Q4 2018 9.67 million I think a few people still buy them... So if you spend $2500 on a MacBook Pro, $800 on an iPad, and then $1000 on your iPhone, boom, you're over $4000. $4000 doesn't go very far.

It's incredible what people will pay for this stuff.

Re: PureOS is convergent

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #20

My primary concern with this is that different applications are inherently optimized for the platform on which they were originally designed. There are some applications that have a very dense UI because there's simply alot of functionality that the program handles (think of a video editor, an IDE, etc). Trying to slim down those applications to make them reactive so that they will scale onto a phone or tablet just s…

I'm actually becoming convinced that the right approach is pretty much the opposite and we should be making GUIs that are composable.

If you think about it, no one knows the user's use case better than they themselves do. So who is in a better position to determine what functionality is most important to have on their tiny phone screen? Which components need to be bigger and more prominent or smaller and less prominent according to their workflow? Etc.

In other words, the GUI isn't optimized for anything by the developer, but the user can make it optimal for themselves.

Re: PureOS is convergent

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Post by ryanmarsh »

Slightly off-topic, is anyone using Librem laptops? What has your experience been? They look nice.

I've always wanted a nice secure Linux laptop to work on but I'm not eager to waste hours upon hours getting the drivers to behave (my experience with Linux on the desktop is a bit dated).

Re: PureOS is convergent

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Post by grawprog »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #20

My primary concern with this is that different applications are inherently optimized for the platform on which they were originally designed. There are some applications that have a very dense UI because there's simply alot of functionality that the program handles (think of a video editor, an IDE, etc). Trying to slim down those applications to make them reactive so that they will scale onto a phone or tablet just s…

>I mean, if someone said, "I've successfully ported Vim to Android!", my first thought would be, "Why in god's name would I want to run vim on my phone?"*

Vim is available on android through termux. I've used it to write a few things. I actually used it to wrote an app to access my city's transit api because I wasn't a fan of the available ones.

With the right keyboard installed it's actually not too bad. Best programming editor i've actually found available on android.

Re: PureOS is convergent

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Post by beatgammit »

hacym wrote: post #144
linuxftw wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> $4000+ That's an excessive number. Great laptops can be had for under $1000. Obviously, you could spend over $4000, but I don't think this is a reasonable number for most people. Even most 'computer' people. And who still buys tablets anyway?

iPad sales in 2018: Q1 2018 13.17 million Q2 2018 9.11 million Q3 2018 11.55 million Q4 2018 9.67 million I think a few people still buy them... So if you spend $2500 on a MacBook Pro, $800 on an iPad, and then $1000 on your iPhone, boom, you're over $4000. $4000 doesn't go very far.

Sure, it doesn't go very far in the Apple ecosystem, but you can get a solid set of equipment for much less. For examine, a Thinkpad will run $500-1500 (depending on the model), a solid tablet can be found for ~$500, and plenty of decent phones are ~$500 (mine was $250). Altogether, that's <$2000 for a solid set of devices.
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