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A girl who was never meant to survive

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Re: A girl who was never meant to survive

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On mobile as you scroll through it cycles through some large photos, breaking the flow of the text. I had to stop trying to read it.

That all? Mine jumped around all over the place (iOS).

Either make your little UI experiment work flawlessly across all devices, or not at all.

Re: A girl who was never meant to survive

#22
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How can ever parents do something like this. I can't imagine how did she survived, not just physically but emotionally.

Depression is a mfer.

Based on my thankfully brief flirtation with it, I can say this:

At the bottom of the hopelessness barrel, you end up valuing everyone else’s life as little as you value your own, sadly.

Re: A girl who was never meant to survive

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Even on desktop I find this style of presentation distracting. It looks cool, I get it, but it doesn't feel conducive to story telling to break up the text with a screen filling image every N paragraphs.

I have mixed feelings. It certainly feels like a different experience from most articles (especially BBC ones). Some of the photographs were especially compelling, and I think they'd have had less impact as a sidebar. It's clear that the goal is to capitalize on the browser medium's differences from traditional print media. It's definitely new/different. I don't think I liked it the first time I saw it but in this ca…

> Some of the photographs were especially compelling, and I think they'd have had less impact as a sidebar.

To me the point of an article is to provide textual information; I find most of the innovations get in the way of actually getting the info into my brain. (I originally put "innovations" in scare quotes, but they are new ideas, just for me bad ones. But that's the nature of experimentation).

The thing about reading is that, like recognition of 2D images, it's a learned behavior though one (more than image recognition) that appears to hack into some deep structures in the vision system. Breaking the text up like this ironically subverts those mechanisms which likely impedes understanding.

Re: A girl who was never meant to survive

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Even on desktop I find this style of presentation distracting. It looks cool, I get it, but it doesn't feel conducive to story telling to break up the text with a screen filling image every N paragraphs.

It does some curious things though. It makes reading online an interactive thing - you have to 'flip pages' quite deliberately and quite often. That would have a significant effect on engagement I would think. Perhaps (older?) folks like us are put off; but I can imagine a crowd that would be more likely to finish the article, once they got going/hooked?

I don't feel like it makes reading interactive, so much as it makes reading laborious. Regardless of the quality, context, or merit of the picture, it's still a large, obtrusive break in the narrative. Paragraph, paragraph, paragraph, and then a couple of long drags on the mouse wheel until the structure resumes. If anything, this actually keeps me from getting hooked as my concentration and attention are being interrupted every couple of minutes. And I don't think this is related to my ripe old age of 34, either. I appreciate what this style of presentation is trying to do; look like a magazine. But reading in a browser is a much more linear experience than a magazine, where text is often in columns that split and resume on the same page; that's a design pattern we have had a century (or more?) to get used to. Further, in a magazine, we usually have the option to ignore the pictures at our leisure, which is simply not an option here. It looks cool, I'll grant that, but it's otherwise a distraction.

Re: A girl who was never meant to survive

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Yes some story-telling from BBC's website is very UI-unfriendly. But please do take the time to read the story.

Thankfully someone posted an outline.com link which makes it more readable.

And thanks to the outline link, I was able to read the article to conclusion. Very powerful and very interesting.

Re: A girl who was never meant to survive

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post #4

How can ever parents do something like this. I can't imagine how did she survived, not just physically but emotionally.

Depression is a m f er. Based on my thankfully brief flirtation with it, I can say this: At the bottom of the hopelessness barrel, you end up valuing everyone else’s life as little as you value your own, sadly.

This is one of the best descriptions I have ever read. Thank you.

Re: A girl who was never meant to survive

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I've noticed lately that a lot of the "heartwarming" stories I read have a common thread: religion. People do good things not because it makes objective sense, but because their faith compels them to do the right thing. I'm sure plenty of non-religious people do great things too - but I wager the percentage is higher for those who are devoted to something "higher than themselves". (I say this as a person who is, at best, considered non-religious)

Re: A girl who was never meant to survive

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depression is a m f er. Based on my thankfully brief flirtation with it, I can say this: At the bottom of the hopelessness barrel, you end up valuing everyone else’s life as little as you value your own, sadly.

This is one of the best descriptions I have ever read. Thank you.

I don't have chronic depression but I did have a period where getting kicked out of Cornell was my impending doom. I remember realizing what I described, and also like... it was like I was wearing the opposite of rose-colored glasses, the feeling covered EVERYTHING in a facade of feces, basically.

If you DO suffer from depression... Get help, the world is actually OK, but you must take initiative

(I did end up graduating Cornell... 8 years later)

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