Leaked Documents Show the U.S. Tracking Journalists Through a Secret Database • Hacker News Board

Re: Leaked Documents Show the U.S. Tracking Journalists Through a Secret Database

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Post by 18pfsmt » Thu, Mar 07, 2019, 3:53 PM UTC

akhilcacharya wrote: post #98

creaghpatr wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obama spied on Sharyl Atkinson is pretty well known.

It's not, because it never made sense. She was a nobody and the things she reported on where reported by others. One of her allegations of hacking was a stuck delete key [1] [1] https://www.vox.com/2014/10/31/7140247/the-right-is-convince...

You are correct about that case, but others are well-documented, specifically regarding the AP and James Rosen:

Dana Milbank of the Washington Post stated: "The Rosen affair is as flagrant an assault on civil liberties as anything done by George W. Bush’s administration, and it uses technology to silence critics in a way Richard Nixon could only have dreamed of. To treat a reporter as a criminal for doing his job — seeking out information the government doesn’t want made public — deprives Americans of the First Amendment freedom on which all other constitutional rights are based."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_articles_about_the_Depart...

Re: Leaked Documents Show the U.S. Tracking Journalists Through a Secret Database

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Post by SlowRobotAhead » Thu, Mar 07, 2019, 4:01 PM UTC

18pfsmt wrote: post #106

tomohawk wrote: post #31

Journalists are often harrassed when they dig into things the powerful want to leave burried. https://sharylattkisson.com/new-update-attkisson-v-doj-and-f... https://cpj.org/asia/china/

Sharyl Attkisson, the person interviewing Jerome Corsi, author of Killing the Deep State: The Fight to Save President Trump in this interview? https://www.c-span.org/video/?442260-1/after-words-jerome-co... Or how about this: "Citizens United’s David Bossie and former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski argued that Washington bureaucrats are seeking to undermine the presidency of Donald Trump." https://www.c-spa…

>Sorry, if I find Atkisson a dubious source of information.

Your problem with Atikisson is she interviewed people you disagree with?

Atkinson who was illegally spied on by Obama admin, has been excellent in doing real journalism. Her TED talks about fakenews and media bias are excellent.

Lara Logan, Tim Pool, Atiksson, and maybe 10 others have shown they can put their biases aside and do work. It’s a sad state of journalism right now, but even sadder that even acknowledging other people give some consumers a “dubious” impression.

Re: Leaked Documents Show the U.S. Tracking Journalists Through a Secret Database

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Post by codezero » Thu, Mar 07, 2019, 4:02 PM UTC

18pfsmt wrote: post #106

tomohawk wrote: post #31

Journalists are often harrassed when they dig into things the powerful want to leave burried. https://sharylattkisson.com/new-update-attkisson-v-doj-and-f... https://cpj.org/asia/china/

Sharyl Attkisson, the person interviewing Jerome Corsi, author of Killing the Deep State: The Fight to Save President Trump in this interview? https://www.c-span.org/video/?442260-1/after-words-jerome-co... Or how about this: "Citizens United’s David Bossie and former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski argued that Washington bureaucrats are seeking to undermine the presidency of Donald Trump." https://www.c-spa…

Are you saying that if a journalist interviews a controversial figure they lose credibility? Was there something about those interviews that made you determine she is dubious?

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Post by briandear » Thu, Mar 07, 2019, 4:53 PM UTC

Tsubasachan wrote: post #81

A journo friend of mine told me foreign journalists need special visa to enter the US. In fairness I don't think they have ever refused anyone or expelled the press over reporting but the US knows who is in the country.

Journalists going to almost every country as a journalist need a “special visa.” There is nothing new or unique about that.

Re: Leaked Documents Show the U.S. Tracking Journalists Through a Secret Database

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Post by Areading314 » Thu, Mar 07, 2019, 4:53 PM UTC

This is terrible, but the headline is exaggerating: this only affects 50 people relating to a specific issue, not all journalists in the US.

Re: Leaked Documents Show the U.S. Tracking Journalists Through a Secret Database

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Post by creaghpatr » Thu, Mar 07, 2019, 4:56 PM UTC

ModernMech wrote: post #108

creaghpatr wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are investigating or otherwise overseeing the border, would it not be useful to have a list of journalists who are actively gathering on-the-ground intel (for their jobs)? This is a weak attempt to make it look like the Obama era abuses a la Sheryl Attkinson. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/01/29/sharyl_at...

Databases of journalists have slightly different optics when the president has called for opening libel laws, encouraged violence against the press at his rallies, and has labeled journalists the "enemy of the people".

Reality is more far important than optics. Contextualizing it doesn't change the facts.

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Post by viivaux » Thu, Mar 07, 2019, 5:02 PM UTC

18pfsmt wrote: post #105

wallace_f wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's terrifying. Free speech should not be infringed upon. This is obviously happening more and more. High profile cases like journalists and activists caught up in association with Snowden, like Greenwald, Poitras and Lavabit's founder... Are probably known to most here. But I wonder if most are aware even a journalist covering the dakota pipeline protests was detained by the US government(1). 1- https://www.nytimes…

I wonder if that might have to do with foreign influence being involved with the protests? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2018/03/01...

Pretty ballsy of the WaPo to suggest such a thing, considering their utter lack of interest in the heinous acts carried out there at the time.

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Post by AlwaysRock » Thu, Mar 07, 2019, 5:03 PM UTC

tomohawk wrote: post #31

Journalists are often harrassed when they dig into things the powerful want to leave burried. https://sharylattkisson.com/new-update-attkisson-v-doj-and-f... https://cpj.org/asia/china/

I feel like there's a large delta between lazy shitty journalism that is pumped out for news websites and real investigative journalism that is incredibly eye-opening and insightful.

Re: Leaked Documents Show the U.S. Tracking Journalists Through a Secret Database

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Post by codezero » Thu, Mar 07, 2019, 5:04 PM UTC

huffmsa wrote: post #101

hopler wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Devil already has enough advocates. Please stop spamming HN with bad-faith noise.

You'd rather this forum be a hugbox of agreement rather than one of actual discussion? That never leads anywhere. Good ideas can stand up to criticism. Strong opinions necessarily must be defendable. You don't get that with a hugbox. So I put my karma on the line for what I think is good argument.

I’d rather discuss issues with people who actually believe in them and can back them up, or acknowledge they hold their opinion for sentimental reasons.

Re: Leaked Documents Show the U.S. Tracking Journalists Through a Secret Database

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Post by nerdponx » Thu, Mar 07, 2019, 5:21 PM UTC

Areading314 wrote: post #125

This is terrible, but the headline is exaggerating: this only affects 50 people relating to a specific issue, not all journalists in the US.

No it's not. The headline never says "all", you added that. The fact that the number is greater than 0 is a problem.