This is what real treason looks like.
Leaked Documents Show the U.S. Tracking Journalists Through a Secret Database
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
Did the Snowden revelations end up weakening any government despite the violations against citizens? Or fast and furious? Iran-Contra? Don’t kid yourself.
Absolutely. All of those things had significant policy impacts. It’s no coincidence that massive Russian influence campaigns that put a buffoon in the White House followed their usurpation of Snowden and Wikileaks. Fast and furious helped cement the right wing distrust of government and gin up the crazy gun people. Iran-Contra undermined the global strategy for dealing with terrorist incidents by refusing to negotiat…
You do realize the CIA was responsible for the Snowden NSA leaks (their direct adversary that has the legal authority to bulk collect data on American communication networks) because they are also implicated in massive umbrella surveillance of American and foreign communications, and not for a legal purpose.
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This is probably only true in Germany. > Is this legal in the US or is the current US administration in hot water? Keeping immigrants in indefinite detention probably isn't legal in the US, doesn't mean it's not going to continue. > current US administration in hot water? The FBI is working their way through jailing senior members of the Trump campaign.
Really? Name a single member of the trump administration who is in jail, muchless senior. Why make stuff up?
Former "National Security Advisor" is pretty senior.
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I said "campaign" for a reason. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47263226 : former election campaign chief Paul Manafort is the big one. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46347887 George Papadopoulos received a short prison sentence for lying to the FBI. The following associates are convicted but not yet sentenced, presumably while they cooperate with investigators: Rick Gates has pled guilty to co…
Yeah I must have misread “administration.” In that case obviously you’re correct. Still, wow, they got Manafort. That’s not exactly the big time. Just some sheister lobbyist. Something about “working their way through” didn’t quite connect with my perceived reality.
Lobbyist? He was the head of the campaign and selected Mike Pence! Trump wanted Chris Christie.
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This is incorrect. A criminal investigation would be legal. A quote directly from the article sums up the counterpoint nicely: “We are a criminal investigation agency, we’re not an intelligence agency,” the Homeland Security source told NBC 7 Investigates. “We can’t create dossiers on people and they’re creating dossiers. This is an abuse of the Border Search Authority.”
A quote from the official statement from the Customs and Border Patrol. It was also in the article. "CBP told our colleagues at NBC News that the names in the database are all people who were present during violence that broke out at the border in November. The agency also said journalists are being tracked so that the agency can learn more about what started that violence."
That quote doesn't mean that the journalists have been convicted of crimes. It means they have dossiers/database tracking on them just for being there, reporting the violence, etc. Doing their jobs as reporters. If the agency wanted to find out what started the incidents in question, the agents should swiftly identify that journalists couldn't be the cause and dismiss them instead of keeping a database of them.
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This is the standard wartime playbook for restricting freedom. It's completely incompatible with functioning democracy.
The United States in still engaged in 2 declared wars. One of which has it's theater defined as "wherever al-qeada and it's associates are" (paraphrase). So what's wrong with the wartime playbook? We're at war.
The War on Terror is not an officially declared war through Congress. The last declared war was WWII
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That’s the policy position of the government, and it’s an insane, not credible position. It’s a position born of ignorance and bigotry. I know many people who were impacted by 9/11. The people responsible were posing as businessmen with normal visas. It disgusts me that our policy is to chase boogeymen and do harm to people and to the nation in pursuit of cheap applause. End of the day, the consequence of the stupid…
For the record, I agree with you. I'm personally opposed to this line of thought, I'm just devil's advocating what the executive branch and legislature has and will argue.
The Devil already has enough advocates. Please stop spamming HN with bad-faith noise.
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Is there evidence this specific tracking started under a previous administration? Or must we first ensure that we deflect blame from the current administration, notably characterised by ongoing violent rhetoric about journalists, including a surprising effort to ignore the government sanctioned murder of a journalist by an "ally".
Obama spied on Sharyl Atkinson is pretty well known.
It's not, because it never made sense. She was a nobody and the things she reported on where reported by others.
One of her allegations of hacking was a stuck delete key [1]
[1] https://www.vox.com/2014/10/31/7140247/the-right-is-convince...
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#99A journo friend of mine told me foreign journalists need special visa to enter the US. In fairness I don't think they have ever refused anyone or expelled the press over reporting but the US knows who is in the country.
How do they know/enforce that? (Put a different way, if I were a journalist what would stop me entering the same way as Joe Average)
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It sounds most like a criminal investigation into a particular violent incident at the border and the investigators are trying to follow the money.
This is incorrect. A criminal investigation would be legal. A quote directly from the article sums up the counterpoint nicely: “We are a criminal investigation agency, we’re not an intelligence agency,” the Homeland Security source told NBC 7 Investigates. “We can’t create dossiers on people and they’re creating dossiers. This is an abuse of the Border Search Authority.”
If you are investigating or otherwise overseeing the border, would it not be useful to have a list of journalists who are actively gathering on-the-ground intel (for their jobs)? This is a weak attempt to make it look like the Obama era abuses a la Sheryl Attkinson.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/01/29/sharyl_at...