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Ecosia – the search engine that plants trees

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Re: Ecosia – the search engine that plants trees

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It says "Powered by Microsoft" on the bottom of a search results page. Is this just a wrapper around bing?

Pretty much every search box you see on the Internet is a wrapper around Google or bing, with Yandex as a distant 3rd and a few country-specific engines in China, Russia, Korea, etc.

There's also yacy which is the distributed search effort. Tiny by size, but worth mentioning.

Re: Ecosia – the search engine that plants trees

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How much more than "a wrapper around Bing" would you say DuckDuckGo is?

They claim to be merging 'traditional' search results from multiple providers, explicitly calling out Oath (Yahoo) as well as Bing. So, hopefully, substantially. Realistically, somewhat. [0] https://duck.co/help/results/sources

According to Wikipedia, Yahoo is also a Bing wrapper so I'm not sure what the point in using both is.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Search

Re: Ecosia – the search engine that plants trees

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty much every search box you see on the Internet is a wrapper around Google or bing, with Yandex as a distant 3rd and a few country-specific engines in China, Russia, Korea, etc.

There's also yacy which is the distributed search effort. Tiny by size, but worth mentioning.

I really like YaCy (I run a node), but a big problem with it that will prevent it from ever competing with Google/Bing is the lack of a verifiable link graph for ranking results. Right now it basically just uses full text search and a local link graph which is problematic.

Re: Ecosia – the search engine that plants trees

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They claim to be merging 'traditional' search results from multiple providers, explicitly calling out Oath (Yahoo) as well as Bing. So, hopefully, substantially. Realistically, somewhat. [0] https://duck.co/help/results/sources

According to Wikipedia, Yahoo is also a Bing wrapper so I'm not sure what the point in using both is. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Search

Yes, Yahoo's independent search index was phased out over a decade ago.

Re: Ecosia – the search engine that plants trees

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There's also yacy which is the distributed search effort. Tiny by size, but worth mentioning.

I really like YaCy (I run a node), but a big problem with it that will prevent it from ever competing with Google/Bing is the lack of a verifiable link graph for ranking results. Right now it basically just uses full text search and a local link graph which is problematic.

>> the lack of a verifiable link graph

I hadn't heard about YaCy even though I'm in their game. I too run a search engine that doesn't use a link graph for scoring relevance. My bet is on semantic relevance over PageRank, because I think our understanding of language models have become so sophisticated we can start relying on them solely.

Also, it's harder I think to game a language model when compared to a page rank model.

What do you think is lacking from non-link graph search engines?

EDIT: maybe I misunderstood b/c it says here YaCy _has_ a link graph: https://yacy.net/en/API.html

Re: Ecosia – the search engine that plants trees

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Wow, this is one of the better attempts to monetize an environmentalists' identity. This could literally be a wrapper around bing/google, very little investment. Build out the tree-planting department as you scale income, without having to solve the hard technical problems at all. Kudos to them! This should be an inspirational example whenever people talk about starting a tech company on minimal code. (Their commitme…

It wraps bing. This is the 2nd time I've come across Ecosia, today I added the add-on to Firefox. Here's to hoping they actually plant the trees!

I've seen Pornhub doing similar initiatives. Haven't read any updates whether they did plant all trees that they promised to. No one keeping tab.

Re: Ecosia – the search engine that plants trees

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I was investigating massive reforestation as a means of reducing greenhouse gases a few days ago. I stumbled upon this hyper-dense technique called the Miyawaki method [1]. Sounds like it's resource-intensive upfront but might be self-sustaining after that. The guy mentioned in [1] has open-sourced the methodology here [2]. [1]: https://fellowsblog.ted.com/how-to-grow-a-forest-really-real... [2]: https://www.afforest…

Their method can be found here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4l3sqwd3b9j3pmq/AAAa6kbi3r7yY9QnD...

Re: Ecosia – the search engine that plants trees

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much more than "a wrapper around Bing" would you say DuckDuckGo is?

They claim to be merging 'traditional' search results from multiple providers, explicitly calling out Oath (Yahoo) as well as Bing. So, hopefully, substantially. Realistically, somewhat. [0] https://duck.co/help/results/sources

Point taken. But privacy-wise, does anybody have any qualms about Ecosia?

Re: Ecosia – the search engine that plants trees

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I was investigating massive reforestation as a means of reducing greenhouse gases a few days ago. I stumbled upon this hyper-dense technique called the Miyawaki method [1]. Sounds like it's resource-intensive upfront but might be self-sustaining after that. The guy mentioned in [1] has open-sourced the methodology here [2]. [1]: https://fellowsblog.ted.com/how-to-grow-a-forest-really-real... [2]: https://www.afforest…

I first read this article when it was linked on Hacker News. I had always hoped the method would go viral for local environmentalists, hippies, rich landscapers, and Earth/Arbor day organizers.
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