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Experts cracked laptop of crypto CEO who died with $137M, but the money was gone

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And this is the problem. These guys are not regulated. There is no transparency. There are no external auditors. There is no control. When we find out, it is always too late. Every "cryptocurrency bank" is a potential Enron. I fear both the involvement of Central Banks and at the same time the lack of it. If EY (or anyone else serious about this) 'follows the money' then that would be a very interesting report to rea…

This would seem to be a private problem. If people choose to park their money with a non-transparent, unaudited random crypto startup, that's their decision and their problem. I'm not interested in paying for "regulators" in such cases.

Not really. It's a private problem only if it stays within the confines of the participants. But when it reaches a scale like this, the harm is wider.

I think the most important societal issue is that it damages investor and consumer confidence.

As a parallel, consider food regulation. When I go into a store or restaurant, the food I buy is very likely to be safe, because there are a lot of regulators making sure it happens. If they weren't operating, then I'd have to exert a lot more effort to make sure that each thing I eat is safe. Not only would this be a giant waste of effort, but it would significantly reduce the opportunity for innovation and cost reduction, because people would be reluctant to try new products and new restaurants.

Market confidence is even more important for finance, because it's much harder for individuals to know if a given company is really working. It would be a huge problem for society if everybody went back to keeping their money in mattresses and physically moving it everywhere.

Re: Experts cracked laptop of crypto CEO who died with $137M, but the money was gone

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And this is the problem. These guys are not regulated. There is no transparency. There are no external auditors. There is no control. When we find out, it is always too late. Every "cryptocurrency bank" is a potential Enron. I fear both the involvement of Central Banks and at the same time the lack of it. If EY (or anyone else serious about this) 'follows the money' then that would be a very interesting report to rea…

The Central Bank isn't regulated, isn't transparent and certainly doesn't have any external auditors either. I don't think you understand how cryptocurrencies, central banks and regulations work. Also, regulations doesn't protect against hacks or theft or shady practices.

Do you have a source for any of this? Because my career as a securities regulation & banking attorney tells me the truth is actually the exact opposite of literally everything you’ve asserted.

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> > These guys are not regulated. There is no transparency. There are no external auditors. There is no control. > But that's a feature, not a bug, at least according to the crypto people. But, so far, all they have managed to do is rediscover lessons about the need for regulation, oversight and accountability that the financial industry has learnt decades or even centuries ago. I feel this is only true for people wh…

Exchanges are more useful when many users use them. By necessity, this needs to be centralized. Can't buy when there are no sellers.

By “needs to be centralized”, you really mean something like “needs to be strongly connected”.

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blockchain != exchanges holding your private keys

My point is even if someone has your password there are legal routes where you can go recover your money. The bank will then do that. The blockchain is distributed. Who do you go complain to?

You complain to the insurance company that the exchange uses.

This is how banks deal with the potential for loosing money too, except they have a mixture of private insurance, SROs insurance and state insurance. These things added confidence to their market, centralized crypto services do this too. QuadrigaCX did not.

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DiCaprio? This whole affair has been at best a Weekend at Bernie's-level plot. The accounts were emptied 8 months before the death, and yet QCX pretended they were solvent the whole time so they could keep the party going.

The Great Gatsby...

More like Basketball Diaries....a bunch of junkies using and abusing

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DiCaprio? This whole affair has been at best a Weekend at Bernie's-level plot. The accounts were emptied 8 months before the death, and yet QCX pretended they were solvent the whole time so they could keep the party going.

In the sequel his ghost solves blocks when you play a latin rhythm and two young/broke computer enthusiasts who moved to Puerto Rico to make it big are the only ones who can see him because they smoked weed that grew in soil mixed with his ashes.

How High: Blockchain Edition

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And the widow is left with just the 17 properties, 2 cars, yacht and plane that he earned through honest hard work. Another thing you could work into the plot is $9m appears to be with WB21 "Banking Redefined" which claimed a million users but was discovered to only have 135 downloads of its app (now removed), is run by a convicted fraudster and was awarded "Global Banker Award 2018" in a black tie ceremony that they…

That "award" ceremony video is both surreal and ridiculously cringe-inducing at the same time. It wouldn't surprise me if he actually felt like he had "achieved" something when he gave himself that award, either. It was like you were watching his fantasy of what people would say about him if he was a productive member of society instead of a criminal and fraud.

FWIW, this is only marginally worse than your standard 'industry award' in that he had the nerve to give it to himself. Pretty much every industry has a boatload of meaningless awards. It is done largely for marketing and for 'social engineering'[1]. It is cheap (both in cost and tact) but effective.

[1] Curries favor with the awardees, creates an 'in group' etc...

Re: Experts cracked laptop of crypto CEO who died with $137M, but the money was gone

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And the widow is left with just the 17 properties, 2 cars, yacht and plane that he earned through honest hard work. Another thing you could work into the plot is $9m appears to be with WB21 "Banking Redefined" which claimed a million users but was discovered to only have 135 downloads of its app (now removed), is run by a convicted fraudster and was awarded "Global Banker Award 2018" in a black tie ceremony that they…

> black tie ceremony OMG that trophy is indistinguishable from any other tacky chunk of lucite that, say, a particularly motivated carpet distributor might earn as a sales award. Not to insult carpet distributors, whose work with tangible goods is worth at minimum 500x more than what any fintech slob contributes to the world.

Assuming their contribution is even positive

Re: Experts cracked laptop of crypto CEO who died with $137M, but the money was gone

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No, the found wallet is under the control of the trustee overseeing the bankruptcy of MtGox. We know this for certain because he sold 35,000BTC when BTC was around 10,000USD, ensuring the creditors will get their full investment back. Doesn't make us whole of course, but it is nice.

I lost some 2010 BTC (trading at ~$30) in the MtGox failure, and then missed the window to make a claim. Harsh.

But it was trading at around $600 during the MtGox meltdown. Are you thinking of the first MtGox crash (June 2011) that they recovered from?
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