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Re: U.S. users are leaving Facebook by the millions, Edison Research says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone cares about privacy. They just aren't keenly aware that they're losing it. If you meet someone who doesn't care about privacy, ask them, can I borrow your phone and browse through your contacts, your conversations, and your pictures? Almost nobody will say yes unless they are very close to and intimate with you. I think John Oliver did a pretty good job of framing the Snowden revelations in terms of "the NSA…

I don't think your analogy is very good. it's true that many (maybe even most) people have secrets that they would be embarrassed to share with their friends, family, or coworkers. if you asked them whether they would be okay with letting some stranger who they would never meet look through their phone, they might not do it for free, but I bet a lot of people would do it for $5-10.

That's not it. Offering people 10 bucks won't change that most say "no" when you ask them to borrow their phone and snoop through everything. Instead, it's that the whole loss of privacy is impersonalised. When you see my face, the face of someone who just asked to borrow your phone, when it's clear a person is going to be looking through it, that's when you say "no".

But when Facebook is harvesting data about you, it doesn't feel like a person is doing it. It feels like some abstract machine or algorithm or a faceless corporation is doing it. They even promise that humans aren't individually looking at your data. So people bank on that impersonality. The data may be collected, but who cares, nobody is actually really looking at it, right?

The truth is that people do often look at it, despite all the promises and everything. That's what you have to convey and that's what John Oliver was trying to establish with his angle.

Re: U.S. users are leaving Facebook by the millions, Edison Research says

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I'm going to go against the grain here and say that I really like Facebook and think that overall it's a good platform with some flaws.

Right now I'm messaging 2 different groups and about 5 different people, while organising an event that's happening in a few weeks, and organising supplies and camping for a festival on the weekend. After this festival in the weekend, I can post the photos I took on Facebook, where everyone can tag each other in the photos, so they can be easily found.

For me it's an integrated social and event management platform. It works incredibly well for this purpose. If I need to find a generator for an event, I can ask in a group chat, or even put up a timeline post asking for one, and it will probably manifest. I had a friend who's laptop died and he needed a temporary replacement, so he put up a post and later that afternoon was in front of a new laptop.

There are some really shitty features that I hate about Facebook though, to the point that they induce anxiety. For messenger, being able to see when people were last active and when messages have been seen really makes my anxiety build up. I know that people aren't ignoring me and just take time to reply, because I do exactly the same myself, but it still plays in the back of my mind.

The second really shitty feature is that the people you interact with more are the people you keep seeing on your newsfeed or at the top of your messenger. I had a bit of conflict with a friend a while back, so we were giving each other some space to cool down. I kept seeing all her posts at the top of my newsfeed, and she kept appearing on the top of my contacts list for messenger, Facebook would even give me notifications that "Alice and 89 others have responded to events near you tomorrow". It actually did my fucking head in to the point where it was causing significant problems with my mental wellbeing.

I understand exactly why Facebook does this, to increase activity and engagement. But fuck it pisses me off.

Re: U.S. users are leaving Facebook by the millions, Edison Research says

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Gday Platforms that DONT censor speech

* Minds + mewe (FB alt)

* Gabai (Twitter alt)

* Bitchute (Youtube alt)

* Tutanota + Protonmail(email alt)

* Wire (skype alt)

* subscribestar (Donation alt)

* Startengine (Kickstarter alt)

* peertube (DIY self host youtube stream style server)

* Voat (Reddit alt)

* Movim (Tumblr alt)

* Pixelfed (Instagram alt)(one admin is an leftist) * @GetTogether (meetup.com alt)

* searX.me or Duckduckgo or startpage (search alt)

* OpenStreetmap - instead of Google maps

* Linux - Win/MacOSX replacement

* f-droid.org - Google Play Store ALT

* Mumble - Discord ALT

* Gitlab (Github alt)

* spreadshirt - shirt merch alt

* imgtc or tineye - free image upload site

Regards Charliebrownau

Re: U.S. users are leaving Facebook by the millions, Edison Research says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's becoming boring and boring, so that's why I believe people are leaving Email hasn't had any new features added in decades, and people still use it. For me, Facebook is a tool. I use it to organise events and groups, and communicate with people. There's no other tool that works as well. I can have all my messages, groups, and events in one place. Almost everyone I know uses Facebook as well, so it's centralised…

You may be missing a whole bunch of people like me who refuse to use facebook. And you'll just never know how many. If there's an event that is solely organized through facebook, I just don't go. If that means I miss out, I miss out.

I know exactly how many of my friends don't use Facebook, because I specifically remember which ones they are, so I can message them separately.

It's inconvenient for me, but I'm happy enough to accomodate them.

Re: U.S. users are leaving Facebook by the millions, Edison Research says

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Facebook's investor presentation shows MAU stay flat at 242 millions in Q4'18. I don't see a 15 millions drop.

(The numbers for DAUs and MAUs do not include Instagram, WhatsApp, or Oculus users)

https://s21.q4cdn.com/399680738/files/doc_financials/2018/Q4...

Re: U.S. users are leaving Facebook by the millions, Edison Research says

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I'm not sure losing that age group has much to do with Facebook's scandals. This is purely anecdotal, but with my daughter and her social group, Facebook stopped being a service of interest to them quite a while back. Not because of data issues, but because (to use my daughter's words) "Facebook is for businesses and old people".

Oh yeah definitely, it's got nothing to do with privacy, it's just not a platform geared towards younger people, because it's a platform that caters to older people. Kids these days don't give a shit about privacy. Why would they?

> Kids these days don't give a shit about privacy.

I'm not so sure that's true. At least, it's not true among the kids that I personally know.

What is true is that they have a more pragmatic view of the issue than us oldsters -- they view it as more like a monetary exchange: they understand and care about privacy, but they're willing to pay for a service by giving some of it up if they think the value they're receiving justifies it.

That's not the same as not caring. Just the opposite, it's caring enough to make conscious decisions about how to valuate it.

Re: U.S. users are leaving Facebook by the millions, Edison Research says

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I'm going to go against the grain here and say that I really like Facebook and think that overall it's a good platform with some flaws. Right now I'm messaging 2 different groups and about 5 different people, while organising an event that's happening in a few weeks, and organising supplies and camping for a festival on the weekend. After this festival in the weekend, I can post the photos I took on Facebook, where e…

The positive features you mention are related to network effects or essentially to Facebook's "first mover advantage". As I see it, you should consider Facebook as merely the incumbent in this "connecting" role, i.e. don't give the Facebook organization any credit for the market position they find themselves in. The software must be adequate enough but that's a separate issue from FB's immense asset, its subscribers.

Re: U.S. users are leaving Facebook by the millions, Edison Research says

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Someone switching from FB to Instagram does not genuinely count as someone leaving Facebook; they are just switching to a different implementation of Facebook owned by the same company.

And the only reason most of them are switching is to follow the herd. They don't want to be left behind in some place where they are not able to obtain as much validation (fishing for likes and followers). That type of personality needs to be "where everyone else is".

Their lives are exactly the same, except with a different social networking application.

Re: U.S. users are leaving Facebook by the millions, Edison Research says

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I'm going to go against the grain here and say that I really like Facebook and think that overall it's a good platform with some flaws. Right now I'm messaging 2 different groups and about 5 different people, while organising an event that's happening in a few weeks, and organising supplies and camping for a festival on the weekend. After this festival in the weekend, I can post the photos I took on Facebook, where e…

just for organisational purposes I feel whatsapp or wechat groups do a lot of what you're describing (except for the ease of photo tagging), and it leaves out all the stressful and annoying newsfeedy things you get on facebook. Which I think is pretty crucial, because that's all the social and data and ad driven stuff that facebook essentially runs on.

In general there seems to be, especially among younger people, a tendency back towards smaller communities, fewer strangers, less agitation and so on. Youtube, Patreon and Twitch creators seem to be particularly successful.

Re: U.S. users are leaving Facebook by the millions, Edison Research says

#190

Going cold turkey is never easy. If you're having trouble withdrawing, consider what I did over the past few years: 1. Turn off notifications for the Facebook app on your phone; next 2. Turn off notifications for the Facebook Messenger, Instagram, et cetera apps on your phone; then 3. Delete the Facebook app from your phone; then 4. Delete the Facebook Messenger, Instagram, et cetera apps from your phone; and finally…

I quite like the plugins that remove the newsfeed too - or unfollow (not unfriend) everyone. It's a nice intermediate step so you can still use events and messages, but the most annoyingly addictive bit is gone. The light versions of the apps can be a useful step too.

Finally, after logging out - deactivating your account, and then deleting your account (or better, getting a trusted friend to do so for you) are the last steps. (If you're interested in UX, are you a little bit curious what the UX for those two is like?)

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