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European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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That would be great but convincing School Boards of that would be a non-trivial task.

According to someone farther down in the comments here, India has no DST and simply starts school later in the winter. I guess that's just too hard for America?

I'm an Indian and that doesn't ring a bell. School used to start at 8.00 for me. Throughout the year. No dst. When I started working for a European company, it was insane that I had to wind back clocks.

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There is no natural law stipulating when rush hour happens or when buissness hours should be though. Shops will just start to open at 10 instead of 9 and workdays will start at 9 instead of 8 in those areas where this is a problem.

You're forgetting some "laws". Let me list them in order of priority: 1. Business hours must be kept in sync with the important countries next to them. This is important for communications between companies. When business hours are off by 1 hour, there is 1 hour less to communicate with your neighbour countries at business hours. That is 12.5% of the business day you cannot reliably contact another company in another…

There are also union laws that mandate overtime pay off hours. These hours are often defined to be out side of 8:00-17:00, incentivizing businesses to keep open during these hours.

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Exactly. We talked about this in the Netherlands and permanent +2 for us is too far off. That's St Petersburg natural time, it would mean sunrise at 10am in wintertime. If the Germans will really push for permanent +2 time, then there will be a time zone border between us.

Opinion here in the Netherlands is divided between a preference for permanent winter time, permanent summer time, or keep changing the clocks twice a year¹. Sunrise at 10:00 in the winter? Fine! That at least gives us some light in the afternoon. 1: https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2018/12/19/meeste-nederlanders-wil...

You are neglecting public health concerns. People’s sleep tends to be disrupted when they have to wake up long before sunrise. Sleep is important for the population, more important then afternoon sunshine, I would say.

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Here in Morocco, it was made permanent starting this year, so instead of being GMT we are GMT+1 all year round, Except, this decision was made brutally without any prior discussion or vote,

Huh, that means Iceland can no longer set our timezones to Casablanca. A few years back, Atlantic/Reykjavík was never an option when selecting timezone, so we would always go with Casablanca.

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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post #183

So many people, including a lot of comments here, seem to think that it’s designed around the winter. It’s not, it’s to move an hour of sunlight from the start of the day (say, 4am) to the end of the day (say, 9pm) so that you use less energy in the summer (hence the ‘savings’), and then you can enjoy that rather than being asleep. Moving to summer time year-round means that the mornings in the winter will be darker.…

So just change the hours you work during the Winter! Why do you have to modify the actual clock that everyone else uses to do that?

Most people can't simply change the hours they work for their employer and it sounds out of touch to present an argument that assumes most workers have that level of autonomy.

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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Why do you think abolishing the daylight savings change is bad? Personally I think it’s a super awesome move. And note that no matter what you have against it, disrupting the sleep of billions of people twice per year has caused depression and cardiovascular issues which shouldn’t be taken lightly. So what’s the issue in everyone switching to the summer time for the whole year?

Because in the UK and Spain (the countries I have lived in) the sun would not rise until nearly 10am in winter. Lots of people think this change is a good idea simply because they assume they would stick to the time zone that they think is best. When the millions of people who want permanent summertime realise their government will most likely choose permanent winter time then it might not seem like such a great idea…

> Yes, there may be side effects of changing clocks twice per year, but how do they compare to the effects of having less light in the morning in winter or less light in the evening in summer?

In think the effects you’re mentioning are insignificant compared with having your sleep schedule disrupted twice per year. People have literally died due to it.

Getting rid of DST also simplifies business. Did you know that European countries do not switch at the same time as the US?

Daylight saving times are a clusterfuck.

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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Because in the UK and Spain (the countries I have lived in) the sun would not rise until nearly 10am in winter. Lots of people think this change is a good idea simply because they assume they would stick to the time zone that they think is best. When the millions of people who want permanent summertime realise their government will most likely choose permanent winter time then it might not seem like such a great idea…

> Yes, there may be side effects of changing clocks twice per year, but how do they compare to the effects of having less light in the morning in winter or less light in the evening in summer? In think the effects you’re mentioning are insignificant compared with having your sleep schedule disrupted twice per year. People have literally died due to it. Getting rid of DST also simplifies business. Did you know that Eu…

> In think the effects you’re mentioning are insignificant compared with having your sleep schedule disrupted twice per year. People have literally died due to it.

That's quite the claim to make. If changing the clocks has a negative effect, it last at most a few days. Getting the timezone wrong for the whole of winter / summer is an effect that lasts months.

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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post #183

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So just change the hours you work during the Winter! Why do you have to modify the actual clock that everyone else uses to do that?

Most people can't simply change the hours they work for their employer and it sounds out of touch to present an argument that assumes most workers have that level of autonomy.

Maybe legislation should focus on that problem makeing sure that a) people who could have this autonomy can get it and b) where fixed schedules are unavoidable they get shifted accordingly instead of playing with the clock.

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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So many people, including a lot of comments here, seem to think that it’s designed around the winter. It’s not, it’s to move an hour of sunlight from the start of the day (say, 4am) to the end of the day (say, 9pm) so that you use less energy in the summer (hence the ‘savings’), and then you can enjoy that rather than being asleep. Moving to summer time year-round means that the mornings in the winter will be darker.…

> I like having a bit of daylight in the mornings in the winter, and I’ll miss it when it’s gone. As I’m sure a lot of people will when they realise that getting ‘rid’ of it makes the winter worse, not the summer better.

Considering that society is already built around morning larks and all the advantages they enjoy, this decision is a tiny, if pleasant victory for the night owls.

I can't recall the last time I was awake early enough to take advantage of that early sunlight hour. It was probably years ago.

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post #105

A change which may be rational closer to the equator, but which makes less sense in Edinburgh or further north surely?

Actually the closer you get to the poles the less you benefit from DST. At the poles you get 6 months of daylight and 6 months of night no matter what. The same at the equator, 12 hours of daylight and 12 hours of night (this doesn't take into account the inclination of Earth's axis, but you got the idea.) The places that benefit most from DST are the ones in between, especially around 45 degrees latitude. Then there…

> only hens have dinner at 6 PM

Which country is this saying from? I'm guessing Mediterranean.

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