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Re-entry to US without backscatter or pat-down

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Re: Re-entry to US without backscatter or pat-down

#21
post #12

If you look at the way this was handled it actually speaks to the professionalism of most of those involved. Regardless of your objection to the policy, which is not the decision of these people, the police and tsa seemed rational and accommodating. Just think how this might have been handled in other countries.

Or at a different airport... or if the supervisor was already having a bad day.

Re: Re-entry to US without backscatter or pat-down

#22
This is what elections are for.

Did you know you can be stopped and searched without a warrant within 100 miles of the physical border? [1] Between that and this new screening policy for re-entry at international airports, I think we've crossed a line. Everyone I talk to about this is outraged. If we still have a functioning democracy, these policies will change.

It's somewhat expected that now and then the government will overreach (see the Alien and Sedition Acts, etc). But that's why we have elections.

[1]: This band around the border happens to include 2/3 of the US population. http://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty/constitution-free...

Re: Re-entry to US without backscatter or pat-down

#23
post #9

In the 1500's a man called Étienne de la Boétie wrote, in a then-inflammatory "Discourse on Voluntary Servitude": Obviously there is no need of fighting to overcome this single tyrant, for he is automatically defeated if the country refuses consent to its own enslavement: it is not necessary to deprive him of anything, but simply to give him nothing; there is no need that the country make an effort to do anything for…

A nice quote, but we've already given the TSA a lot. Now it's a fight to get it back. Hopefully it's not too late.

Re: Re-entry to US without backscatter or pat-down

#25

Really lucky. That situation could have easily turned into a 6 hour detention regardless of legal rights (which are already being ignored)

So what ? That would be a fantastic way to screw this up, especially if a large fraction of all travelers would do it.

Pointing out an absurd law is worth 6 hours of your time.

Re: Re-entry to US without backscatter or pat-down

#26
post #12

If you look at the way this was handled it actually speaks to the professionalism of most of those involved. Regardless of your objection to the policy, which is not the decision of these people, the police and tsa seemed rational and accommodating. Just think how this might have been handled in other countries.

In other countries this idiocy would not have taken place to begin with.

Re: Re-entry to US without backscatter or pat-down

#27
post #11
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think his point is that some other countries don't take the latest TSA requirements seriously, and if you come from one of those countries, the TSA will screen you because of that.

I don't understand the point of that point. If the reason for the X-ray machines is to stop people from smuggling dangerous materials onto planes and using them to cause harm, scanning people after they get off the plane is the most literal analogue I've ever seen for shutting the barn door after the horses have fled. Imagine a daycare center that had a policy of running background checks on its employees only once t…

I'm guessing the issue is that the physical layout of the terminal is designed under the assumption that everyone arriving on an international flight is connecting to a domestic flight, and CVG was not their final airport. In that case, they want people screened by US personnel against US policies before boarding those domestic flights.

It still seems like a waste of time and money for the TSA to screen people who are just going to go out to the bag claim though and not board another flight.

Re: Re-entry to US without backscatter or pat-down

#28

Really lucky. That situation could have easily turned into a 6 hour detention regardless of legal rights (which are already being ignored)

Sure it could have, but that would have made the TSA look even worse imo. I suppose if you go as far as asserting your rights, you have to be prepared to go through whatever comes up.

Re: Re-entry to US without backscatter or pat-down

#29
For every idiotic law there will be a Rosa Parks.

Now, of course there is a huge difference between state sponsored racism and the TSA policies but I'm very happy this guy decided to test the limits. If you have some spare time next time you land in a US airport ;)

Re: Re-entry to US without backscatter or pat-down

#30
post #2

What? I wasn't aware you needed to be irradiated just to enter into the US, even without planning to take any more flights. What is the rationale behind that?

What's happening here is that Customs is an unsecured area, because everyone has just picked up their luggage. He's proceeding through a secured area to get out of the airport. Thus, the re-screening, and probable re-checking of bags and all that.
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