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European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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So you do you- just don't force the complexity of your life on the rest of us. We can contribute a measurable number of deaths every year to DST. It's a disaster.

I say it's natural to wake up when the sun raises, you say it's natural to stick to the same hour all year long. I'm not forcing anything anymore than you do.

Let me invite you to the arctic circle, where the sun don't set or rise in large parts of the year.

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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Lets also try and spread working times from (mostly) 9-5 to 6-2, 7-3, 8-4, 9-5 and 10-6 so we can solve the traffic congestion problem, all while enabling people to work when they work best.

And 30 h work weeks, could instead of 5 days x 6 hours, be 4 days x 7.5 hours, so that people didn't need to commute at all, one day per week.

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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So many people, including a lot of comments here, seem to think that it’s designed around the winter. It’s not, it’s to move an hour of sunlight from the start of the day (say, 4am) to the end of the day (say, 9pm) so that you use less energy in the summer (hence the ‘savings’), and then you can enjoy that rather than being asleep. Moving to summer time year-round means that the mornings in the winter will be darker.…

So just change the hours you work during the Winter! Why do you have to modify the actual clock that everyone else uses to do that?

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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I am with you. I enjoy long summer evenings when it is till some light at 11pm and you can be swimming, camping, whatever. Winter time would mean sun rising ~3:30 in the morning. I have no desire do get up that early.

Unless you desire to get up at 4:30 in the morning, you're going to have to invest in some curtains either way. At that point, the exact time of sunrise doesn't really matter.

Alas, early sunshine wakes up some noisy birds, so curtains may not be the entire solution :(

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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Except there is federal law on this that affects their decisions. [0] I wish we would at least call it "summer time" instead of the lie "daylight savings time." There's no daylight "saved." [0] http://www.webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/usc.html

It affects their decisions in some nominal capacity, but it is still up to the states and territories. Federal laws don't have the authority to supersede local laws whenever they want. "As of 2014, the following states and territories are not observing DST: Arizona, Hawaii, American Samoa, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands.[7]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_in_the_Un...

The relatively recent change adding an entire month of DST originated with Congress, not the states. That's more than nominal.

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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Lets also try and spread working times from (mostly) 9-5 to 6-2, 7-3, 8-4, 9-5 and 10-6 so we can solve the traffic congestion problem, all while enabling people to work when they work best.

You forgot my favourite time slots, 11-7, 12-8 and 1-9 :)

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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" And the Germans seem to be dominating the vote... " On what basis are Germany dominating the vote? They cannot. No EU member state can dominate a vote. Germany could at best lobby other member states, as other member states can (and do) lobby Germany.

> On what basis are Germany dominating the vote? "In the largest survey ever conducted by the European Commission, 80% of around 4.6 million respondents said they favor abolishing the finicky practice of changing the clocks in summer and winter" "While citizens from all EU member states voted in the poll, around two-thirds of responses came from Germany " https://qz.com/1375622/eu-citizens-voted-to-abolish-daylight..…

Reason being that people picked this up very quickly and for once this poll even made it into mass media before it was over. I think this only shows how much changing clocks annoys people; they hear about a poll, they go vote.

AIUI in most other countries this initial pick-up and publicity just didn't happen.

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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post #171

Most of the people that I hear complaining about it are old people and by that I mean people who are retired and time only tells them if it's the time for their favorite TV drama or medicine. IMHO daylight saving time helps both mentally (less gloomy dark winter) and energy-wise.

If I observe regular office hours, it's dark when I go to work, and it's dark again when I get out of work. One hour either way would make barely any difference. Don't see the point. And in the middle of the summer the sun raises around 4:00. So, yeah.

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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post #121

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The rationale for daylight savings in a southern latitude like California is this: People generally wake up, and go to work the first thing in the morning. They would like to travel to work after sunrise. They would also like to maximize the amount of daylight they get to enjoy outside of work. This means that in the summer, all the daylight before waking up is "wasted" so you want to move solar noon forward. But if…

> Spain has a weirdly skewed solar noon anyway... That's because they're mostly in the wrong timezone, they should be on Western European time like the UK and Portugal. Interestingly enough the reason for that is Hitler :)

> "see? Germans decide for everyone!"

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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post #183

So many people, including a lot of comments here, seem to think that it’s designed around the winter. It’s not, it’s to move an hour of sunlight from the start of the day (say, 4am) to the end of the day (say, 9pm) so that you use less energy in the summer (hence the ‘savings’), and then you can enjoy that rather than being asleep. Moving to summer time year-round means that the mornings in the winter will be darker.…

So just change the hours you work during the Winter! Why do you have to modify the actual clock that everyone else uses to do that?

That would be great but convincing School Boards of that would be a non-trivial task.
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